Violation: yes or no?

[westneat]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

How long would you allow A1 to pin the ball to the floor from an inbound pass in the backcourt before you start your ten second count?

I'd start the ten count immediately. A still has team control in the backcourt (established when handed the ball for the throw in).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by westneat

I'd start the ten count immediately. A still has team control in the backcourt (established when handed the ball for the throw in).

But in HS the count doesn't begin until a player has controlled the ball inbounds. (If A2 touches the ball on the throw-in pass and it bounds away for 10 seconds, it's not a violation.)

[westneat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But in HS the count doesn't begin until a player has controlled the ball inbounds. (If A2 touches the ball on the throw-in pass and it bounds away for 10 seconds, it's not a violation.)

Can you give me a case play or rule citation to back up this assertion? All I've got is 9-8, which says :

"A player shall not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of a ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds."

That would suggest that the play you described is indeed a violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by westneat

Can you give me a case play or rule citation to back up this assertion? All I've got is 9-8, which says :

"A player shall not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of a ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds."

That would suggest that the play you described is indeed a violation.

Only after PC has been established inbounds. 9-8 would apply if Team A had the ball in the front court and a pass was deflected into the back court. You would start your count immediately in that case.

[westneat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Only after PC has been established inbounds.

I can't find anything in the book to back this up. Can someone help me out?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by westneat

I can't find anything in the book to back this up. Can someone help me out?

It is a good question. I asked the same question here about 5-6 years ago.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It is a good question. I asked the same question here about 5-6 years ago.

You could refer to these:
2011-12 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her backcourt. The administering official reaches a four-second count when A1 passes the ball onto the court. A1’s pass to A2, who is also in Team A’s backcourt, takes several bounces and six seconds before A2 picks up and controls the ball. RULING: Legal. Even though a team is now in control during a throw-in, the 10-second rule specifically requires that a player/team be in continuous control in its backcourt for 10 seconds for a violation to occur. Technically speaking, the thrower-in is out of bounds and not located in the backcourt. (4-35-2; 9-8)

SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2’s hand and goes into Team A’s backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt. RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)