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Violation: yes or no?
A1 is dribbling on the move. A1 slips, and as he is falling pushes the ball to the floor and pins it there. While keeping the ball pinned to the floor with his left hand he gets up. After getting back up on 2 feet, A1 picks the ball up. At no point after falling to the ground did A1 ever take his left hand off the ball.
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I remember this type of play (or at least tangential) being discussed after Rajon Rando made a play 2-3 years ago in the playoffs involving him pinning the ball to the ground..
Edit: Here's the discussion: Why call traveling? It's the NBE. And here's the play in question from the thread above
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How long would you allow A1 to pin the ball to the floor from an inbound pass in the backcourt before you start your ten second count?
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As long as it takes for him to control it with two hands.
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I'd start the ten count immediately. A still has team control in the backcourt (established when handed the ball for the throw in).
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The OP happened in a D3 game I worked Saturday. I was trail in front of the defensive team's HC and A1 had just left my primary, but I still saw what happened. Coach yelled out for a travel right away, and I told him that A1 didn't have the ball in his hand when he got up. At halftime the on-ball official felt he messed up by not calling a travel.
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But in HS the count doesn't begin until a player has controlled the ball inbounds. (If A2 touches the ball on the throw-in pass and it bounds away for 10 seconds, it's not a violation.)
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The player was dribbling, so he already had player control.
Now whether one considers the pin to be part of continuing the dribble, holding the ball, or no control at all would matter to making the decision. Remember that per an NFHS Case Play a player on the floor in control of the ball may not relinquish control by putting the ball on the floor next to him, get up, and then repossess the ball. A. A continued dribble clearly is not a travel as one of the fundamentals is that a player may not travel while dribbling. B. Deeming it holding the ball means not only that getting up is a travel, but that falling to the floor while holding it was already a travel. C. Control when down, then loss of control, then regain after rising is a travel based upon the Case Play. The only gray area is in judging if the player lost control BEFORE going to the floor. That would make the action legal. Part C is clearly the most confusing. I would go with B, and contend that this constitutes holding the ball in one hand. To me the dribble ended when the ball came to rest. The rule doesn't state any specific hand position is necessary to cause that. |
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"A player shall not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of a ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds." That would suggest that the play you described is indeed a violation. |
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