Replacement Shooter

[APG]

Clear the lane, let A1 shoot her remaining FT, then have A1 replaced.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by APG

Clear the lane, let A1 shoot her remaining FT, then have A1 replaced.

This is an example of what not to do in this situation, and there is no rules backing for making this decision.

[APG]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is an example of what not to do in this situation, and there is no rules backing for making this decision.

I'm using 3.3.5 Situation A as a basis for that. While the case play talks about a player pulling a jersey, I don't see why one wouldn't be able to apply it to jewerly if you're going to direct a player to leave the game to correct.

If you're going to use this case book play as a template, I should also point out that B will get the ball regardless after the final FT's.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by APG

I'm using 3.3.5 Situation A as a basis for that. While the case play talks about a player pulling a jersey, I don't see why one wouldn't be able to apply it to jewerly if you're going to direct a player to leave the game to correct.

If you're going to use this case book play as a template, I should also point out that B will get the ball regardless after the final FT's.

That is a stretch I wouldn't make, but I can see how some might.

[deecee]

Me personally I will just tell the kid to take the clip out and give it to her coach (I would also remind all other players to make sure their hair is clear) and have the kid shoot the last FT.

I would not clear the lane as this was not a T. If I had to get a replacement then that replacement would shoot the second FT with the lanes occupied, but this is not the route I would go. Correct it and resume the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

That is a stretch I wouldn't make, but I can see how some might.

I don't think it's much of a stretch, to be honest. It's a solid precedent for a very similar situation.

Now, I'm frankly with the others on this. I'm going to just have her take it out if she can get it out quickly. If not, I'm using the case play APG references.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

3.3.5 Situation.

3.3.5 SITUATION A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-andone,
the official observes: (a) A1 pull the shirt out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s
pants being worn below the hips. RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed
to put the shirt in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game
immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free
throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free
throw is successful. COMMENT: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the
requirement for A1 to leave the game.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3.3.5 SITUATION A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-andone, the official observes: (a) A1 pull the shirt out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s pants being worn below the hips. RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the shirt in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful. COMMENT: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the requirement for A1 to leave the game.

I don't know about you but this caseplay is absolutely ludicrous. The penalty is hey kid leave but you can finish shooting your free throws. THEN we will just inbound it to your opponents. So no real penalty at all, except he/she sits a tick.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know about you but this caseplay is absolutely ludicrous. The penalty is hey kid leave but you can finish shooting your free throws. THEN we will just inbound it to your opponents. So no real penalty at all, except he/she sits a tick.

That's the only penalty any other time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know about you but this caseplay is absolutely ludicrous. The penalty is hey kid leave but you can finish shooting your free throws. THEN we will just inbound it to your opponents. So no real penalty at all, except he/she sits a tick.

As opposed to what else?

If you were to just to direct the free thrower to be replaced immediately, you could have Team A's coach possibly send a better free throw shooter to the line.

The case book play will see that Team B is also guaranteed the ball after the FT.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know about you but this caseplay is absolutely ludicrous. The penalty is hey kid leave but you can finish shooting your free throws. THEN we will just inbound it to your opponents. So no real penalty at all, except he/she sits a tick.

Don't they also lose the chance at an offensive rebound? To me it seems this is a greater penalty than normal.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Don't they also lose the chance at an offensive rebound? To me it seems this is a greater penalty than normal.

Ya I didn't think this through apparently

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is an example of what not to do in this situation, and there is no rules backing for making this decision.

IT's one of the valid choices.

THe other is fix it and go on.

Which to use depends on what is expected in your area, whether the team had had an issue before, etc.

What's not allowed is have a sub come in to shoot the FTs.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IT's one of the valid choices.

THe other is fix it and go on.

Which to use depends on what is expected in your area, whether the team had had an issue before, etc.

What's not allowed is have a sub come in to shoot the FTs.

I disagree. I do not think the case play covers the situation of a player wearing illegal equipment. The case play is specific for a player improperly wearing legal equipment. IMO, once discovered, the player should be directed to leave the game and their replacement will shoot the remaining free throw with the players lined up. I like BNRs way of handling it by just having the person remove the thing and continue play. While that method is probably the best, it is not supported by rule either. I personally would not ever choose the method APG suggested. Again, I don't think it is supported by rule, and as BNR said, I think it causes more problems than it solves.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I disagree. I do not think the case play covers the situation of a player wearing illegal equipment. The case play is specific for a player improperly wearing legal equipment. IMO, once discovered, the player should be directed to leave the game and their replacement will shoot the remaining free throw with the players lined up. I like BNRs way of handling it by just having the person remove the thing and continue play. While that method is probably the best, it is not supported by rule either. I personally would not ever choose the method APG suggested. Again, I don't think it is supported by rule, and as BNR said, I think it causes more problems than it solves.

Johnny, you are probably a darn good NCAA official, but because you do so few HS games you seem not to have kept up on some of the nuances of the rules at the NFHS level. Therefore, it would be nice if you would please stop stating with certainty that particular things aren't supported by rule when they actually are.

Here is the NFHS ruling which supports BNR's course of action:

SITUATION 2: A1 is discovered wearing an illegal headband during a live ball. RULING: Illegal player equipment shall not be worn and, if discovered, it must be removed immediately. If it cannot be removed immediately, the player is directed to leave the game. COMMENT: There is no provision to permit a player directed to leave the game to remain in the game by assessing a technical foul or granting a time-out. (3-3-4; 3-3-5)

Source: 2010-11 NFHS Interpretations