Duke vs Miami double foul vid request (Clip Added)

[APG]

[ballgame99]

I don't see an immediate signal from C, so why bother with the huddle and double foul? Plus isn't that L's call all the way?

I don't have a problem with the PC here. Tough call with the offense coming in hot like that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I don't see an immediate signal from C, so why bother with the huddle and double foul? Plus isn't that L's call all the way?

I don't have a problem with the PC here. Tough call with the offense coming in hot like that.

I think he banged his hips before he came into view.

It's a block - the C is correct. Why penalize the offense for "coming in hot?"

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think he banged his hips before he came into view.

It's a block - the C is correct. Why penalize the offense for "coming in hot?"

Agree.

Not sure how the L saw this as PC. Doesn't really even look that close. Different angles, I guess.

[tjones1]

I don't mind C having a whistle but I think he has to give L first crack. That being said I think the C got the call right.

From the sideline view looks like a charge, but looking at the end line view I have a block.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I don't mind C having a whistle but I think he has to give L first crack. That being said I think the C got the call right.

From the sideline view looks like a charge, but looking at the end line view I have a block.

Transition. I have no problem in transition with the C getting that.

[APG]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I don't mind C having a whistle but I think he has to give L first crack. That being said I think the C got the call right.

From the sideline view looks like a charge, but looking at the end line view I have a block.

I agree that the L should get first crack at this...especially since this is a defender trying to slide laterally into position to take the charge. The lead is in the best position to see that side to side movement. The C can have a whistle on this but he needs to hold any preliminary signal and/or have a later (cadence) whistle IMO.

As is, the C had the right call IMO.

[Rich]

You know, I want to take back what I said about transition -- the L was in perfect position to take this play and, well, missed it.

Related thought: I've always found it odd that the L making the wrong call is preferable to the blarge -- at least ONE of them got it right.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

I agree that the L should get first crack at this...especially since this is a defender trying to slide laterally into position to take the charge. The lead is in the best position to see that side to side movement. The C can have a whistle on this but he needs to hold any preliminary signal and/or have a later (cadence) whistle IMO.

As is, the C had the right call IMO.

I actually think the C had the best view. The defender was slipping forward into the dribbler. The C could easily see the defender moving forward....which is where the block would be.

The L should have been able to see that but it would have been much more difficult. The L would have seen lateral movement better, but not forward movement....and laterally, the defender looked like he got there to me.

[SoInZebra]

I'm going to disagree with the crowd ok this one.

Defender has legal guarding position and moves laterally to maintain that position - and contact comes on the torso.

Dribbler was never airborne so the requirement to be set prior to the upward motion doesn't exist.

This looks player control to me.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's a block - the C is correct. Why penalize the offense for "coming in hot?"

I'm not penalizing him for it, I'm just saying it makes the call tougher because it makes any small forward movement by the defense harder to detect.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I'm not penalizing him for it, I'm just saying it makes the call tougher because it makes any small forward movement by the defense harder to detect.

That was significant movement and he caught the offensive with his left leg, which was outside the frame of a natural stance.

[jeremy341a]

On another topic I noticed the start of this game was delayed for several minutes while the officials sorted out an issue. At the end after talking to several players, one person off the Miami bench I didn't recongnize and the head coach one player removed his all white arm compression sleeves and the game began. Another player was wearing orange an white sleeves. I don't know what the NCAA rule is buy I would guess it is the sleeves must match for all players?

[HawkeyeCubP]

I agree with tjones1 and APG here, in that L is in best position to call this (although it might not have been the right call on this play. It's debatable, at least). Additionally, this is one of many examples, in my opinion and watching experience (certainly not calling), of officials in the Men's game working a lot more loosely with PCA's than in the Women's game, and being way too quick to whistle on fouls in others' PCA's.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

On another topic I noticed the start of this game was delayed for several minutes while the officials sorted out an issue. At the end after talking to several players, one person off the Miami bench I didn't recongnize and the head coach one player removed his all white arm compression sleeves and the game began. Another player was wearing orange an white sleeves. I don't know what the NCAA rule is buy I would guess it is the sleeves must match for all players?

Yes, the all have to match. And they have to be a single solid color (black, white, beige, or any color contained in the jersey).