What you guys Think of this? (Video)

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yup.

That said, it's a common foul 100 times out of 100.

Agreed...not even close to an intentional foul IMO.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

Agreed...not even close to an intentional foul IMO.

Watch the foul and then watch the embellishment. That the official got sucked in by that is unfortunate. It's a garden variety and not particularly hard end of game foul.

[deecee]

The sad part is that a T followed this "incorrect" call. Not excusing the coaches or players (whoever got the T) behavior, but it shows how one call has the ability to change things very drastically. Most likely the T was very well deserved, but the times I have had an intentional foul I have not paused, looked at the player and then made the intentional signal. I have made the intentional signal as soon as my whistle was blown.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

Watch the foul and then watch the embellishment. That the official got sucked in by that is unfortunate. It's a garden variety and not particularly hard end of game foul.

I think it's a combination of the dribbler thinking he was closer to half court then he really was and trying to make sure he wouldn't commit a violation...and a bit on embellishment on his part as well. Players will try to fool us from time to time, and it appears he got the official here. Agree, garden variety end-of-game foul here.

[Pantherdreams]

Common foul.

He can make a play on the ball with one hand or both from both sides of the body if he wishes. Will one be a foul definitely but that is risk/reason he is willing to make the play.

There is embellishment. I can't see who/why it gets a T. The reaction makes me think someone let something slip that is basically automatic.

[bob jenkins]

Might part of whether this is intentional or common depend on whether Blue had been "trying to foul" before this?

I'm sure it does vary by area as well.

[asdf]

The whole game is here....

go to 1:02.10 to see another intentional foul on the throw-in after the first one...

Boys' Basketball Lorain vs. Norwalk 1-11-14 - YouTube

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by asdf

The whole game is here....

go to 1:02.10 to see another intentional foul on the throw-in after the first one...

Boys' Basketball Lorain vs. Norwalk 1-11-14 - YouTube

I would also point out that the officials administered the throw-in at the incorrect spot after the second intentional foul. That foul occurred just below the free throw line, inside the key. They still gave white the ball at the division line after the free throws. Throw-in should have been administered on the end line based on where the foul occurred.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Might part of whether this is intentional or common depend on whether Blue had been "trying to foul" before this?

I'm sure it does vary by area as well.

I would hope not. The foul should be judged on the contact, not their desire to get the clock stopped.

The foul wasn't excessive contact and while it may have been designed to stop the clock, he was actually poking at the ball....which keeps it common.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The foul should be judged on the contact, not their desire to get the clock stopped.

Not according to the first line of 4-19-3 (An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act). If A1 had just been standing there and B1 ran up to him and hugged him - in a non-violent manner - to pick up a foul, that's an IF.

That being said I can live with an IF on the first play but I wouldn't have been shocked if it had been called a common foul. The second one...eh. I thought the ball handler was off balance but given what had just been called so be it.

As for the T, we can't hear what was said but good, bad or indifferent call we all know there are certain things that are automatic. I'd have to think the last thing the official wanted to do was ring someone up after the IF but it is what it is.

Oh...to the folks who posted the vids, when you embed a YouTube clip you can set it to start at a certain point. That way some of us on very slow work computers don't have to wait for the video to buffer

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rich

Watch the foul and then watch the embellishment. That the official got sucked in by that is unfortunate. It's a garden variety and not particularly hard end of game foul.

Anyone who thinks this is remotely close to intentional is..........

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Anyone who thinks this is remotely close to intentional is..........

I happen to think it's excessive contact. But not to the point of an INT. Close? Not really sure. But I don't blame anyone for the thought entering their mind.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I happen to think it's excessive contact. But not to the point of an INT. Close? Not really sure. But I don't blame anyone for the thought entering their mind.

Isn't that the definition of an intentional foul?

4-19-3: A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Isn't that the definition of an intentional foul?

... and, in some places, it has it's own signal?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I happen to think it's excessive contact. But not to the point of an INT. Close? Not really sure. But I don't blame anyone for the thought entering their mind.

I question the judgement of any official who thinks this is an intentional foul or even close for that matter. As Rich stated on the first page it's a garden variety end of game foul.

As we all know, fouling at the end of the game is an accepted strategy. Officials should be aware of the time, score, and situation.

There is NOTHING here that comes close to intentional. I think the calling official reacted to the kid who as APG said realized he was close to the division line as he jumped then just sort of flopped to get a call. There was absolutely no push whatsoever to cause him to go flying like that and the bear hug talk is ridiculous and silly IMO.