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False Multiple Foul
A1 drives to basket and is fouled by B1 during the act of shooting. While airborn B2 slides over to take a charge but is late and commits a blocking foul. Shot does not go in. Does A1 get 4 throws? Am I reading 4.19.12 correctly?
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You are reading it correctly. Do not call this. I do not care what the interpretation says, do not call this. Not unless you want to have to explain to a coach why you called one foul that likely caused the other. You probably would have to T a coach too. Good luck with that.
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I'm *guessing* you're a new ref. A couple of vets have given you the strongly worded version -- this dad will give you the kinder and gentler version. Have you ever seen that call made at any level of ball? Right - and the reason you've never seen it is that it just isn't called that way. It's unnecessary 99.99999% of the time it technically happens. I suspect if we worked at it we could construct that unique event where the technically correct call would be valuable to a game (which would probably involve a sufficiently deliberate foul that there could be other ways to address,too), but don't even think of going there until you're a seasoned veteran who is consciously making the call for a specific reason.
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The rule exists but as a mentor of mine reminded us when we were new 20+ years ago a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
The day I read that case play in the rule book way back when I had that exact situation come up in a game later the same day. I thought of calling it by the book for maybe a millisecond. After realizing I might end up being the first person on the planet to ever call it that way - and determining where all the exits were in the gym - I reported the initial shooting foul.
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This is really funny!
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Other night, A1 gets hacked on the arm by B1 while elevating, then in attempt to block shot, B2 also hacks A1. When I came out from endline with my call I simply verbalized 'A1 hit him first'. Game kept on moving.
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The smartest person in the room would know this rule but ALSO know it is a bad idea to call it.
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Also The Most Interesting Man In The World ...
I run into this problem (above) all the time. It's a curse that I have learned to to live with.
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People don't like this case play, so ignore it, even though it is quite clearly written. People, however, do like 4.19.8c, and while the language is considerably more vague, it must be followed every time. I have never heard a satisfactory explanation of the difference.
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