10 seconds back court violation?

[ronny mulkey]

Resuming play after a T.O. on opposite end of the court for the offensive team. Time remaining is exactly 1:00 minutes. Throw-in caught and clock starts properly. Offensive team is granted a time out, offensive team is still 5' in the backcourt and the clock reads 48.7 seconds. The C and L have definite knowledge that the clock started properly.

1. If you had been either the C or L would you have blown this violation?
2. During the timeout discussion, the T freely admitted that he wasn't aware of time on the resumption of play but stated that his count had not reached 10.

If your answer is no you wouldn't have blown this violation from C or L, would you have blown it if the clock had gotten to 45:00?

[JRutledge]

1. No. Not my call to make and clock starting and TC starting are not necessarily the same thing.

2. OK, then he/she needs to do better.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

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Bob,

Using Fed, when (:45, :40, "50) would you be comfortable putting a whistle on this play? Once you start making these kinds of calls, where does it stop - i.e. closely guarded plays, throw-ins, f. throws, etc....

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

I know that we use the shot clock in NCAAW to gauge the 10 second count (not a visible count), but I didn't think the NCAA men used the same rule? Or are you saying it is a reviewable call that can be over turned?

Curious to find out the answer!

[johnny d]

New for this year, NCAA-M use the shot clock for the 10 second back court violation as well. Watch the games on tv, you will notice the officials no longer have a visible count.

[Ref16]

Originally Posted by johnny d

New for this year, NCAA-M use the shot clock for the 10 second back court violation as well. Watch the games on tv, you will notice the officials no longer have a visible count.

I wish I still had time to watch games on tv! LoL

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

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Bob,

Using Fed, when (:45, :40, "50) would you be comfortable putting a whistle on this play? Once you start making these kinds of calls, where does it stop - i.e. closely guarded plays, throw-ins, f. throws, etc....

I would NOT be comfortable doing this as L or C in Fed.

That said, at some point, I would step in. You can't let, for example, a team hold the ball in the BC for 8:00 minutes.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a specific FED case where the violation cannot be called (same as if it was called but the clock read :51).

In NCAA, C and L have joint responsibility with T on 10-second calls -- they use the shot clock.

It's Case Book 5.10.1 Situation B "If the count was not accurate or was not made, it cannot be corrected. There is no provision for the correction of an error made in the official's accuracy in counting seconds."

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Ref16

I know that we use the shot clock in NCAAW to gauge the 10 second count (not a visible count), but I didn't think the NCAA men used the same rule? Or are you saying it is a reviewable call that can be over turned?

Curious to find out the answer!

In NCAAW if we miss the violation it's over. We can't go back and deal with it much like any other violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In NCAAW if we miss the violation it's over. We can't go back and deal with it much like any other violation.

Agreed. I was only answering the "can the C or L call the violation" question.

[stiffler3492]

When did they add the ten second violation for NCAA W?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

When did they add the ten second violation for NCAA W?

Start of the current season.

[Scrapper1]

I would definitely blow this violation if I were the L or C, even in high school game. Of course, here in MA, it's a little easier to justify making that call, because we use a shot clock. So everybody knows exactly when 10 seconds has expired in the possession.

I agree with the people who say you can't call the violation once the TO is granted.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I would definitely blow this violation if I were the L or C, even in high school game. Of course, here in MA, it's a little easier to justify making that call, because we use a shot clock. So everybody knows exactly when 10 seconds has expired in the possession.

I agree with the people who say you can't call the violation once the TO is granted.

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Scrapper,

Wow! Are there other timing violations that you would step in and handle for your partner? For example, would you blow a closely guarded count out from under your partner if the shot clock indicated that the player had been closely guarded for 6 seconds? Throw in at 6 seconds?

I don't mean to ask these questions in an argumentative manner. I guess I'm just trying to understand how important this particular call is to you verses other violations?????