Player Unties Another's Shoe During FT

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Intentional (or Flagrant if I thought it rose to that level) for both cases.

Intentional or flagrant WHAT? You leave out the important part!

How about a player deliberately tripping an opponent during a live ball with the only contact being shoe-to-shoe?

What exactly is the standard that you are using to make your decisions?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Intentional or flagrant WHAT? You leave out the important part!

How about a player deliberately tripping an opponent during a live ball with the only contact being shoe-to-shoe?

What exactly is the standard that you are using to make your decisions?

The distinction is whether it is the contact that makes it a foul or some other element. In the shoelace example, they could touch the shoelace all day and it wouldn't be a foul of any kind. It is the intent of trying to untie is that becomes unsportsmanlike. The amount of contact just doesn't rise to the level of a contact foul...but it is unsportsmanlike.

In the the two-hand shove in the back case, it is the magnitude and type of contact that makes is an intentional/flagrant personal foul....the same points of contact with only very slight pressure wouldn't even be a foul.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Intentional or flagrant WHAT? You leave out the important part!

How about a player deliberately tripping an opponent during a live ball with the only contact being shoe-to-shoe?

What exactly is the standard that you are using to make your decisions?

Intentional (or Flagrant) Personal foul ... sorry I thought that was obvious in the case of a shove to the back. Two shots and ball at spot nearest to foul.

Camron Rust just summarized (better than I could) what I was thinking. The standard I'm using is to determine what exactly needs to be penalized. In the case of a shove during a layup, I am penalizing the act of shoving (intentional/flagrant personal). In the case of a untying a shoe, I'd be penalizing the unsporting act, not the touching of the shoelace (technical).