Dead ball contact

My whistle had blown, so it either would have been an intentional technical, or flagrant technical. It wasn't flagrant, so it was either going to be an INT tech or nothing. I felt a call had to be made because of the amount of contact -- A1 basically got trucked by B2, but I have no idea if it was INT worthy or not. It looked like INT-level contact, but I couldn't know for sure from my angle, all I saw was the kid falling and hit the floor hard. The whole crowd exclaimed and A1 was in my face after getting up telling me how that is an INT. As I said, I only considered doing something because at the time my partners seemed like they had no idea what to do. This suspicion was confirmed when we were in the locker room and they said they had no idea.

[Adam]

Contact doesn't have to be "intentional" to be an intentional foul. IMO, this "unless" provision should also include excessive contact. Not saying you situation would have qualified, but it could have.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Adam

Contact doesn't have to be "intentional" to be an intentional foul. IMO, this "unless" provision should also include excessive contact. Not saying you situation would have qualified, but it could have.

The definition of intentional foul covers the excessive part.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

The definition of intentional foul covers the excessive part.

Yep. Guess I could have been more clear.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

... As I said, I only considered doing something because at the time my partners seemed like they had no idea what to do. This suspicion was confirmed when we were in the locker room and they said they had no idea.

No idea what happened or no idea what to do?

There's a big difference and you haven't given solid statement as to what your partners said about the situation.

[just another ref]

If somebody already said this, forgive me. He mentions in the OP that A1 hits the floor. I hope not too much was made of this. Even if you did see the whole thing a player could have hit the floor, hard even, and it could be the result of incidental contact.

Originally Posted by OKREF

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. If you didn't see what happened, which you said several times you didn't, you can't just call something because you think something happened. If you don't see it, leave it alone. That's what you have partners for.

I would normally agree. If I made a call there it would have been a guess, although an educated guess based on what I did know.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No idea what happened or no idea what to do?

There's a big difference and you haven't given solid statement as to what your partners said about the situation.

I did give a solid statement, I wrote this in my OP:

Originally Posted by AremRed

At halftime I asked my partners and neither of them saw whether B2 set a legal screen that A1 ran into, or if B2 gave A1 a forearm (which is what A1 was claiming).

I say they didn't know what to do because they didn't see the play either.

[Adam]

Where was the collision?

Originally Posted by Adam

Where was the collision?

Originally Posted by AremRed

After my whistle A1 keeps running past B1 and runs into B2 who is at the 3 point line.

I was Trail, Lead was at the end line, C was at FTLE tableside. I was behind and to the side of my primary matchup, following the dribbler and his primary defender. Contact between A1 and B2 occurred right outside the 3 point line, about 2/3 of the way from the sideline to the nearer lane line.

[Raymond]

They knew what to do. They did nothing because they didn't see anything.

In the future everyone needs to have better dead ball awareness. When I see players continuing action after the whistle, I toot my whistle loudly to get them to stop.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They knew what to do. They did nothing because they didn't see anything.

In the future everyone needs to have better dead ball awareness. When I see players continuing action after the whistle, I toot my whistle loudly to get them to stop.

Correct. And absent them seeing anything I was considering making a call based on a guess, a gut feeling. Sounds like a made an ok no-call. Hopefully I'll stop thinking about it now.

[j51969]

I am assuming this was a JV or V contest. Why don't you call the AD at the school and ask for a copy of the game. I will often bring a blank CD / self addressed envelope with postage with me to games. More often than not the AD, head coach, or athletic dept are more than happy to mail me a copy. You want some good constructive critism wait until you see yourself on video.

Here is the video. A couple plays here:

Play 1: Blocked shot
Play 2: Block/charge play
Play 3: Dead ball contact

I am Trail.