The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 768
No horn when game ended!! Uggg

Home 72 Visitors 70, 6 sec to go V1 takes 3 pt shot for the win, misses, V2 rebounds, put back no good, V3 rebounds, I glance at the clock and it reads 1.9 sec, V3 shot is no good, V4 jumps up to tap ball in, me expecting a horn at any time, V4's tap goes in, NO HORN EVER SOUNDED!!!! Home says time expired before tap, visitors of course saying it's good! We got together and talked about it, I told them when the last shot was taken there was 1.9 and then since I was the lead I was watching the action, and said it would of been really close but have no idea without the sound of the horn. Neither partner could not definitely know if it would of sounded either, so we ended up counting the basket because of the unknown, and went to overtime! Then we went to a second overtime, horn did sound to end the first one, crazy stuff. Home team ended up winning by 2, when the visitors 3 to win went in and out at the buzzer that actually sounded this time.

So was this our only option? to count the basket and play overtime.
__________________
DETERMINATION ALL BUT ERASES THE THIN LINE BETWEEN THE IMPOSSIBLE AND THE POSSIBLE!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 202
Send a message via MSN to swkansasref33
You don't have definite knowledge either way, so that is a tough one. I would be of the opinion that if you have 2 shots within 1.9 seconds on the clock it would be extremely tough to judge, especially on a tap. Either way someone is going to be unhappy, but I would go with my gut feeling on this one and stick with it. You can always go to the table and ask..... not saying they'll give you a non-biased opinion, but it is an option as they are an extension of the crew. If you go with a good shot, the home coach can't really argue a whole lot as it's his court, his equipment and by that line of thinking, technically his fault (might not tell him that though).
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:29pm
beware big brother
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: illinois
Posts: 994
Fire the clock operator. They either failed to turn the auto horn on or turned it off at some point during the game. Tell game management to take them out back and stone them to death.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:32pm
Stubborn Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,517
Since you are to go by the sound of the horn, and their was no horn, then I don't believe you had a choice. The only way you can waive off the basket would be if one of you saw that time had expired before the shot was attempted.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:29pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by swkansasref33 View Post
, but I would go with my gut feeling on this one
2.13 "... unless (the referee) has knowledge to alter the ruling the goal shall count if it was successful ..."

IOW, if you're not sure time has expired, then count the basket.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:45pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins View Post
2.13 "... unless (the referee) has knowledge to alter the ruling the goal shall count if it was successful ..."

IOW, if you're not sure time has expired, then count the basket.
This, need knowledge to not count it. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, you guys did well.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:54pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Somewhere on the earth
Posts: 1,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny d View Post
Fire the clock operator. They either failed to turn the auto horn on or turned it off at some point during the game. Tell game management to take them out back and stone them to death.
I second this idea.
__________________
"Ask not what your teammates can do for you. Ask what you can do for your teammates"--Earvin "Magic" Johnson
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:57pm
certified Hot Mom tester
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: only in my own mind, such as it is
Posts: 12,918
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny d View Post
Tell game management to take them out back and stone them to death.
And don't stop until you hear the horn.
__________________
Yom HaShoah
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:58pm
Stubborn Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,517
When reading the Officials Manual regarding another situation, I came across this...

In 3.3.6, section E. Final Decision:, it states that "the timer should only be consulted on a last-second tap or try when the red/LED light fails to illuminate or the timer's signal is not heard."

I wouldn't feel right about leaving this call up to the timer, as he/she is sure to have a bias for the home team. Perhaps ask him/her what they saw, but not allow it to directly make the decision.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:01pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanV21 View Post
When reading the Officials Manual regarding another situation, I came across this...

In 3.3.6, section E. Final Decision:, it states that "the timer should only be consulted on a last-second tap or try when the red/LED light fails to illuminate or the timer's signal is not heard."

I wouldn't feel right about leaving this call up to the timer, as he/she is sure to have a bias for the home team. Perhaps ask him/her what they saw, but not allow it to directly make the decision.
I wouldn't do this within earshot of either coach. Frankly, unless you plan on using this information, I wouldn't ask; as it's only going to inflame the home coach if the timer says it was late.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:02pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 782
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanV21 View Post
When reading the Officials Manual regarding another situation, I came across this...

In 3.3.6, section E. Final Decision:, it states that "the timer should only be consulted on a last-second tap or try when the red/LED light fails to illuminate or the timer's signal is not heard."

I wouldn't feel right about leaving this call up to the timer, as he/she is sure to have a bias for the home team. Perhaps ask him/her what they saw, but not allow it to directly make the decision.
The key word "consulted" has been expressed to mean "asked for further information", and the Referee is still to make the decision. JMHO
__________________
To be good at a sport, one must be smart enough to play the game -- and dumb enough to think that it's important . . .
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:10pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Somewhere on the earth
Posts: 1,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanV21 View Post
When reading the Officials Manual regarding another situation, I came across this...

In 3.3.6, section E. Final Decision:, it states that "the timer should only be consulted on a last-second tap or try when the red/LED light fails to illuminate or the timer's signal is not heard."

I wouldn't feel right about leaving this call up to the timer, as he/she is sure to have a bias for the home team. Perhaps ask him/her what they saw, but not allow it to directly make the decision.
The timer is an extension of the officiating crew, however the R has final say.

Also if the timer is biased, they should not be there being they are an extension of the officiating crew.
__________________
"Ask not what your teammates can do for you. Ask what you can do for your teammates"--Earvin "Magic" Johnson
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:49pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by chseagle View Post
The timer is an extension of the officiating crew, however the R has final say.

Also if the timer is biased, they should not be there being they are an extension of the officiating crew.
Ideal world and all that.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 19, 2013, 05:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Somewhere on the earth
Posts: 1,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
Ideal world and all that.
Very true about that
__________________
"Ask not what your teammates can do for you. Ask what you can do for your teammates"--Earvin "Magic" Johnson
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:00am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 768
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions! The Coach from the Home school e'mailed us and apologized for teh incident with the clock and said he has ordered red lights to go on his backboard this morning and a new clock system. Hopefully will be ready for the next game after Christmas!
__________________
DETERMINATION ALL BUT ERASES THE THIN LINE BETWEEN THE IMPOSSIBLE AND THE POSSIBLE!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fumble after dribble ended. Ball fall on the floor mendi Basketball 5 Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:13pm
T after game ended Coach Bill Basketball 50 Wed Jun 10, 2009 08:05am
No Horn, clock 0.0, how do you know when game ended? dkmz17 Basketball 6 Mon Jan 28, 2008 08:20pm
Game horn? fan Basketball 13 Mon Nov 21, 2005 03:31pm
Season Ended early GBFBUmp Football 3 Tue Oct 18, 2005 02:59pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:11am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1