Ball thrown off defender

[frezer11]

Here's the situation:

GV game, Player A1 is inbounding under the hoop, and B1 is lined up across, but not facing her (so as to watch the cuts of defenders and react, etc.) The count gets to about 4 when A1 realizes she has to do something and throws it off the defenders back and out of bounds, as we've all probably seen before. But here's the thing: A1 throws the ball overhand baseball style about as hard as she can into the middle of B1's back. We were sort of taken by surprise, but there's nothing illegal about it, so whatever. About 5 minutes later, exact same A1 does the exact same thing, and the coach of the defending team perks about "Come on, no way she can do that?!!"

I'll post what we did about it a little later on, but I'd like to get some input as to what, if anything, any of you would do first. While we realize that no rule was violated, and throwing the ball off the defender is a perfectly legal and acceptable strategy, the force with which the ball was thrown at a defender less than 5 feet away was clearly unneccessary. Let me know what you all think-

[Adam]

If you think the force was excessive, you could (and probably should) consider it unsporting and call a technical foul.

A warning may be warranted, to the coach, before that, though.

[JBleach85]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Here's the situation:

GV game, Player A1 is inbounding under the hoop, and B1 is lined up across, but not facing her (so as to watch the cuts of defenders and react, etc.) The count gets to about 4 when A1 realizes she has to do something and throws it off the defenders back and out of bounds, as we've all probably seen before. But here's the thing: A1 throws the ball overhand baseball style about as hard as she can into the middle of B1's back. We were sort of taken by surprise, but there's nothing illegal about it, so whatever. About 5 minutes later, exact same A1 does the exact same thing, and the coach of the defending team perks about "Come on, no way she can do that?!!"

I'll post what we did about it a little later on, but I'd like to get some input as to what, if anything, any of you would do first. While we realize that no rule was violated, and throwing the ball off the defender is a perfectly legal and acceptable strategy, the force with which the ball was thrown at a defender less than 5 feet away was clearly unnecessary. Let me know what you all think-

Maybe try to do some preventing officiating, by asking A1 to watch how hard she throws the ball off the back on that count. I know some might say it shouldn't matter, but it might be a good preventive officiating matter. I've seen the exact situation happen already in a game I was watching and about the 2nd or 3rd time it happen it wasn't really pretty. You are right it does catch you off guard a little bit, but always remember to manage situations this is one that can help so it doesn't escalate to something else especially if the two players involved are guarding one another every trip down the floor.

Hope this helps.

[Rich1]

There is a similar situation referenced in the case book that has A1 throwing the ball at an opponents face. If it is deemed intentinal and excessive in the judgement of the official, then jt is unsporting and should be T'd. I would let the first one go since I can't be sure she meant to throw it that hard but the second time crosses the line for me.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

A technical foul.

Technical? With a live ball and contact?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Technical? With a live ball and contact?

Certainly.

[frezer11]

The 2nd throw occurred with about 20 seconds or so before the half, so we had the opportunity to talk about it as a crew, and we came to the conclusion that we would deem it an unsporting act if it were to happen again. So when we came out before the start of the 2nd half, we informed both coaches what we had talked about and decided, as well as the player who through the pass.

In hindsight, the lead on the play probably should have said something to her after the 2nd time. We were somewhat bailed out by the fact that we were able to talk about it at half. But yeah, sounds like the responses are somewhat similar to what we did

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by frezer11

In hindsight, the lead on the play probably should have said something to her after the 2nd time.

If it's as hard a throw as you stated...I probably have a word or two after the 1st time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

If it's as hard a throw as you stated...I probably have a word or two after the 1st time.

Kinda what I was thinking, too.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

If it's as hard a throw as you stated...I probably have a word or two after the 1st time.

Originally Posted by Adam

Kinda what I was thinking, too.

Good point, should've been after the 1st one, but FOR SURE after the second time

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Technical? With a live ball and contact?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Certainly.

I think that I know where this is going, and where it already went. Are we back to talking about whether, or not, contact with the ball is "contact", i.e., like when a player takes the ball and shoves it into the defender's stomach to create space? Is that what were doing, because, if so, I think that I'll sit this one out, and watch you guys dance around?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I think that I know where this is going, and where it already went. Are we back to talking about whether, or not, contact with the ball is "contact", i.e., like when a player takes the ball and shoves it into the defender's stomach to create space? Is that what were doing, because, if so, I think that I'll sit this one out, and watch you guys dance around?

You're saying that shoving with the ball while holding it is the same as throwing it at a player several feet away? This will be a short dance, I think.

[Raymond]

I believe the word is 'conundrum'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I think that I know where this is going, and where it already went. Are we back to talking about whether, or not, contact with the ball is "contact", i.e., like when a player takes the ball and shoves it into the defender's stomach to create space? Is that what were doing, because, if so, I think that I'll sit this one out, and watch you guys dance around?

Apples and snow skis. Not in this thread.