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And unless you work in an IAABO area/state...
I'd stay away from the phrase "over and back," and try to just use rule book terminology when discussing this type of play/possible violation.
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Why? This one accurately describes the situation....unlike over-the-back. I don't think I know of a single official that says anything other than over-and-back.
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I personally say "backcourt" or "backcourt violation" while making the signal.
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As for what is listed in the books, that doesn't stop people from reporting illegal use of hands as "hits", at least around here. I don't and think it sounds silly, but it is common, particularly in the college crowd. And in a lot if cases, "hits" is not actually correct. Last edited by Camron Rust; Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:37pm. |
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Examples of backcourt violations that don't fit "over and back": 1) A thrown-in ball that is player-controlled in the frontcourt that then obtains backcourt status (last touched by A, first touched by A) never necessarily went "over the division line" before going "back." 2) A jump ball that ends which then immediately results in a backcourt violation hasn't necessarily crossed the division line at all.
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You're going to have to explain that one. It is "being" over the line, not "going" over the line. Same thing. I have no idea how the ball can gain FC status (which is necessary to have a violation) without it ever being "over" the line by nature of contact with the floor or in contact with a player who is in the FC (noting the definition of ball location). |
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A quick forum search will reveal
that this has been discussed multiple times before, and I don't remember there being a clear consensus.
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And I challenge you to create a "backcourt" violation where over-and-back is not accurate. I could probably, if I tried, come up with more reasons why backcourt is less accurate or less complete than over and back versus the reverse. |
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Pleas look at the signal chart, which is in the rules book, Number 22. The caption under the picture..... "Over and Back" |
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Oh Oh Oh (Arnold Horshack, 1975) ...
Me. My call is always, "Backcourt", and has been for thirty-three years.
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I say "back court".
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I have always said "backcourt". And while I have an intense dislike for an official referring to a PCF or TCF in NFHS and NCAA Rules as an "offensive" foul, I do not get to hung when an official uses the term "over and back" to describe a "backcourt violation".
That said I encourage officials both young and old (like me) to use correct (rules book terminology) terminology when talking with other officials and especially with players and coaches (and fans and "talking heads") because it is a way of educating them about the rules of the game. MTD, Sr.
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