Intentional

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Why would this be anything but a common foul, as described? It would likely not be an I if it happened maybe 20 seconds into the game.

Now, I agree that my antennae go up near the end of the game, and I might not deem it to be "nothing extraordinary, just playing defense" -- but that's not what (apparently) happened.

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

Ask them for a rule reference on that. I'm curious how they'll answer.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ask them for a rule reference on that. I'm curious how they'll answer.

They were using the to "keep the clock from starting/stopping" clause.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

They were using the to "keep the clock from starting/stopping" clause.

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

This is the most logical argument against theirs. I like it.

[JetMetFan]

Sharp are they saying a kid playing denial defense on a Team A player who commits a foul on a throw-in late in the game deserves an intentional? They’d better be prepared to call a T on Team B’s HC because that’s what’s going to happen.

(Sigh) The old “contact away from the ball with an opponent who is clearly not involved with a play” clause. Sometimes the ability to read the rule book can be a dangerous thing. By their logic they’d also have to call an intentional foul if B1 bumped a cutter who was on the other side of the court in that scenario.

[BigT]

What is the foul is to put the worst foul shooter on the line and he is not involved with the play and to keep the clock from running?

Rule: 4-19-3


ART. 3

An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to:

a. Contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

b. Contact away from the ball with an opponent who is clearly not involved with a play.

c. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball/player specifically designed to stop the clock or keep it from starting.

d. Excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball.

e. Contact with a thrower-in as in 9-2-10 Penalty 4.

4.19.3 SITUATION D:

Late in the fourth quarter Team B is trailing by six points. Team B's head coach begins to yell to his or her players to "foul, foul, foul!" B1 responds by (a) grabbing A1 from behind, or (b) reaching for the ball but illegally contacting A1 on the arm.

RULING: In (a), an intentional foul shall be called. In (b), a common foul shall be called as B1 was making a legitimate attempt to "play the ball."

COMMENT: Fouling near the end of a game is an acceptable coaching and playing strategy. Officials must determine if a foul is intentional by judging the fouling act itself, not whether or not the coach instructed a player to perform the act.

I remember learning something on this site long ago.

If you havent handed the ball to the inbounder and their is decent severe illegal contact isn't it call one way.

If the ball is at his disposal wouldnt the rule and case book above be used to term if its common or intentional?

And can anyone explain a scenario or situation where a team wants to prevent the clock from starting and what penalty for the contact they called?

Originally Posted by Adam

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

Sounds like the coach had it right. Only question in this play is whether it is a personal foul (ball live) or technical foul (ball dead).

Originally Posted by johnny d

Sounds like the coach had it right. Only question in this play is whether it is a personal foul (ball live) or technical foul (ball dead).

Coach was not right. If fouling at the end of game to stop the clock and force the other team to shoot free throws so they can get the ball back is an intentional foul then I guess every official I have ever seen officiate this situation has called it wrong.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

That one, I would call intentional.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by aremred

defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it.

what?!?!

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

what?!?!

Coach was male, player was female. Tsk tsk MD.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

Any intentional foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. But just to call any contact an intentional simply because of the location of the ball is preposterous.