Intentional

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

This conversation came up at our association meeting last night. One of the varsity officials said at the end of their game with maybe 20 seconds left, A1 is trying to inbound the ball. Clocked is stopped and B2 fouls A2. Nothing extraordinary, just playing defense. He said they called an intentional foul. What are your thoughts on this?

Why would this be anything but a common foul, as described? It would likely not be an I if it happened maybe 20 seconds into the game.

Now, I agree that my antennae go up near the end of the game, and I might not deem it to be "nothing extraordinary, just playing defense" -- but that's not what (apparently) happened.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Why would this be anything but a common foul, as described? It would likely not be an I if it happened maybe 20 seconds into the game.

Now, I agree that my antennae go up near the end of the game, and I might not deem it to be "nothing extraordinary, just playing defense" -- but that's not what (apparently) happened.

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

Ask them for a rule reference on that. I'm curious how they'll answer.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ask them for a rule reference on that. I'm curious how they'll answer.

They were using the to "keep the clock from starting/stopping" clause.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

They were using the to "keep the clock from starting/stopping" clause.

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

This is the most logical argument against theirs. I like it.

[JetMetFan]

Sharp are they saying a kid playing denial defense on a Team A player who commits a foul on a throw-in late in the game deserves an intentional? They’d better be prepared to call a T on Team B’s HC because that’s what’s going to happen.

(Sigh) The old “contact away from the ball with an opponent who is clearly not involved with a play” clause. Sometimes the ability to read the rule book can be a dangerous thing. By their logic they’d also have to call an intentional foul if B1 bumped a cutter who was on the other side of the court in that scenario.

Originally Posted by Adam

If it's "regular defense," then it's regular defense.

Do they call an intentional when the ball handler is fouled to stop the clock?

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

Sounds like the coach had it right. Only question in this play is whether it is a personal foul (ball live) or technical foul (ball dead).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I had a coach ask for this. Defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it. He started screaming intentional.

That one, I would call intentional.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by aremred

defender went up to his player and held her jersey until my partner called it.

what?!?!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Actually this was the discussion. That because the clock was stopped near the end of the game it had to be intentional. I for one disagree. There were some in the party of any foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. Again, I disagree.

Any intentional foul by the defense while the ball is out of bounds is intentional. But just to call any contact an intentional simply because of the location of the ball is preposterous.