Flopping to Falling and everywhere in between.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

What, however, if the offensive player trips over the defender and ends up on the floor himself? It's not the offensive player's fault that this happened? And I'm not going to look at it as, "well, it would've been a player control foul had the player stayed in there" cause, well, he DIDN'T.

Honestly, I'm good with a PC because the defender hasn't lost his LGP, hasn't done anything illegal. All he did wrong was panic and move backwards.

If the defender falls into a different path and that causes the contact, I'll go with a block.

I'd really have to see it to know how I'd rule on a given play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, I'm good with a PC because the defender hasn't lost his LGP, hasn't done anything illegal. All he did wrong was panic and move backwards.

If the defender falls into a different path and that causes the contact, I'll go with a block.

I'd really have to see it to know how I'd rule on a given play.

I agree Adam.

Originally Posted by Rich

What, however, if the offensive player trips over the defender and ends up on the floor himself? It's not the offensive player's fault that this happened? And I'm not going to look at it as, "well, it would've been a player control foul had the player stayed in there" cause, well, he DIDN'T.

Sure it is the offensive player's fault. They kept going at a defender who was legally in their path. They were the one in control of the action and contact. All I have is a defender in LGP legally ducking by backing a way from contact and falling in the process. If the offense wants to jump onto/over them, that is their problem.

I very wall may not call a PC but I'm sure not calling a block with no rule support whatsoever.

[Pantherdreams]

Well this has gotten heated .. . I guess I should chime back in on the various scenarios and my reasoning (Assuming LGP was established in each):

1) Kid falls prior to contact. No contact occurs at all. No-Call can't call fouls without contact.

2) Kid starts falling/falls prior to contact would have be PC if kid got hit and knocked down but now contact may still be offenses fault but is not disadvantaging player already on the way to the floor. No Call.

3) Player falls prior to contact but now becomes responsible for contact with outsretched arm or flailing body part that trips up or impedes an offensive player. Block/Illegal Hands on Defense.

4) Player leans/braces to absorb and protect but contact sends them to ground. Charge.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Well this has gotten heated .. . I guess I should chime back in on the various scenarios and my reasoning (Assuming LGP was established in each):

1) Kid falls prior to contact. No contact occurs at all. No-Call can't call fouls without contact.

2) Kid starts falling/falls prior to contact would have be PC if kid got hit and knocked down but now contact may still be offenses fault but is not disadvantaging player already on the way to the floor. No Call.

3) Player falls prior to contact but now becomes responsible for contact with outsretched arm or flailing body part that trips up or impedes an offensive player. Block/Illegal Hands on Defense.

4) Player leans/braces to absorb and protect but contact sends them to ground. Charge.

Sounds good to me.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sounds good to me.

Me too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sounds good to me.

Me too, actually. I rarely see kids fall straight backwards.