Situation during Training

[flick23]

I recently passed the written exam and have been doing on-court training at a after-school program near me where they do scrimmages for 4th-7th graders (in other words, no pressure for us) and a board member from the local IAABO board critiques our mechanics. This is in preparation for the floor exam in the middle of December. I had this situation come up last night:

I'm the lead and call a shooting foul on B1, the ball goes in, score the goal. I go to the table to report ("score the goal...Blue 3-2...hit...1 shot", and my partner (who unfortunately is one of the less game-ready refs in training at this point) switches with me to administer the free throws. He gives the ball to the shooter before I am completely in place and counting ten seconds. I was a bit taken by surprise that he gave it to the shooter so quickly, but was pretty sure I heard him say "one shot". The shooter takes his shot, it bricks, and nobody on the line moves. My partner grabs the ball and goes to administer the second shot. At this point, I'm frozen, not exactly knowing what to do (this was only the second time I'd been on-court officiating).

In retrospect, am I correct in assuming that once I see him pick up the ball to administer the second free throw (incorrectly) I should have whistled and gone over to him to explain the situation and then the arrow should have been used to determine possession?

[Camron Rust]

Your conclusion is correct.

As a matter of practice, the lead should NEVER put the ball into play for FTs without first confirming the number of shots with the trail (and center in 3-man). You couldn't have stopped him from doing so, but include that in your pregames and you'll be less likely to have these sorts of errors.

[Rufus]

Agree with Camron and to develop it a little further (i.e., the way in which you confirm the number of free thros), one of the things you're pre-gaming is to have the lead visually indicate the number of shots with the partner(s) mirroring. That way everyone's on the same page before the ball's bounced to the shooter.

Also it's a good time to remind everyone to take their time. The ball's dead and clock is (hopefully) not running. Don't dawdle, but take the time to get it right.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

one of the things you're pre-gaming is to have the lead visually indicate the number of shots with the partner(s) mirroring.

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

I'm going to incorporate this into pregame conferences this year. I always show the number of free throws after I report the foul, and most guys I work with do as well. I still get the occasional partner that reports then stares off in the distance as I attempt to mirror what I believe is the correct number of free throws. It hasn't bitten me in the arse yet, hence the reason to pregame it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I still get the occasional partner that reports then stares off in the distance as I attempt to mirror what I believe is the correct number of free throws.

Just wait. Eventually, s/he'll wonder what's going on and look at you. Indicate the WRONG number on purpose along with a look that says "this is why we confirm, dumbass."

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Just wait. Eventually, s/he'll wonder what's going on and look at you.

I do this all the time. I tell my partners in our pregame that I’ll stand there and stare at them until I get a signal acknowledging they’ve seen me. I tell them if I don’t receive a response I’m assuming they're involved in something else.

[Sharpshooternes]

I like this. I am going to add it to my pregame.

[constable]

The general consensus around here is to say the number, not the digits. i.e. thirty-two not three-two.

Originally Posted by flick23

I recently passed the written exam and have been doing on-court training at a after-school program near me where they do scrimmages for 4th-7th graders (in other words, no pressure for us) and a board member from the local IAABO board critiques our mechanics. This is in preparation for the floor exam in the middle of December. I had this situation come up last night:

I'm the lead and call a shooting foul on B1, the ball goes in, score the goal. I go to the table to report ("score the goal...Blue 3-2...hit...1 shot", and my partner (who unfortunately is one of the less game-ready refs in training at this point) switches with me to administer the free throws. He gives the ball to the shooter before I am completely in place and counting ten seconds. I was a bit taken by surprise that he gave it to the shooter so quickly, but was pretty sure I heard him say "one shot". The shooter takes his shot, it bricks, and nobody on the line moves. My partner grabs the ball and goes to administer the second shot. At this point, I'm frozen, not exactly knowing what to do (this was only the second time I'd been on-court officiating).

In retrospect, am I correct in assuming that once I see him pick up the ball to administer the second free throw (incorrectly) I should have whistled and gone over to him to explain the situation and then the arrow should have been used to determine possession?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by constable

The general consensus around here is to say the number, not the digits. i.e. thirty-two not three-two.

Completely regional/area specific. If the OP's training has him stating the digits, I'd have him stick with that.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Completely regional/area specific. If the OP's training has him stating the digits, I'd have him stick with that.

Although it is specifically mentioned in the mechanics manual to say the number and not digits. So if you say the digits you are doing it wrong.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Completely regional/area specific. If the OP's training has him stating the digits, I'd have him stick with that.

Some regions make poor choices.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Some regions make poor choices.

I agree, but this is such a small issue.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

Good point Bob. Hadn't thought about the order/mirror as all I can recall is us arriving at the same place (i.e., there's not a gap between one indicating and the other two mirroring). At the very least it's important to pre-game so everyone's doing it, then refine with who starts.

[Moosie74]

I think the point that brings the official to state the digits is from the IAABO book when giving the report to state the color and number while simultaneously display the digits. I think it's a mental thing really, hold up 1 and 2 fingers for the number 12 and you're going to say the number of fingers you just displayed.