Situation during Training

[Rufus]

Agree with Camron and to develop it a little further (i.e., the way in which you confirm the number of free thros), one of the things you're pre-gaming is to have the lead visually indicate the number of shots with the partner(s) mirroring. That way everyone's on the same page before the ball's bounced to the shooter.

Also it's a good time to remind everyone to take their time. The ball's dead and clock is (hopefully) not running. Don't dawdle, but take the time to get it right.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

one of the things you're pre-gaming is to have the lead visually indicate the number of shots with the partner(s) mirroring.

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

I'm going to incorporate this into pregame conferences this year. I always show the number of free throws after I report the foul, and most guys I work with do as well. I still get the occasional partner that reports then stares off in the distance as I attempt to mirror what I believe is the correct number of free throws. It hasn't bitten me in the arse yet, hence the reason to pregame it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I still get the occasional partner that reports then stares off in the distance as I attempt to mirror what I believe is the correct number of free throws.

Just wait. Eventually, s/he'll wonder what's going on and look at you. Indicate the WRONG number on purpose along with a look that says "this is why we confirm, dumbass."

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Just wait. Eventually, s/he'll wonder what's going on and look at you.

I do this all the time. I tell my partners in our pregame that I’ll stand there and stare at them until I get a signal acknowledging they’ve seen me. I tell them if I don’t receive a response I’m assuming they're involved in something else.

[Sharpshooternes]

I like this. I am going to add it to my pregame.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

Good point Bob. Hadn't thought about the order/mirror as all I can recall is us arriving at the same place (i.e., there's not a gap between one indicating and the other two mirroring). At the very least it's important to pre-game so everyone's doing it, then refine with who starts.

[Moosie74]

I think the point that brings the official to state the digits is from the IAABO book when giving the report to state the color and number while simultaneously display the digits. I think it's a mental thing really, hold up 1 and 2 fingers for the number 12 and you're going to say the number of fingers you just displayed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

..... I think it's a mental thing really, hold up 1 and 2 fingers for the number 12 and you're going to say the number of fingers you just displayed.

Nah, just practice. I've usually completed saying the entire number as I'm starting to display the first digit.

[Moosie74]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nah, just practice. I've usually completed saying the entire number as I'm starting to display the first digit.

Thanks, gives me something to consider! Pre-season game in 2 hours but not sure that's going to make the list of things to try today!

[BryanV21]

The main reason we're told to say the number, not the digits, is because some scorers may only hear one of the two digits.

So if you mean to report a foul on "32", but say "3-2", the scorer may only hear "3" and mess up the scorebook.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If you mean to report a foul on "32", but say "3-2", the scorer may only hear "3" and mess up the scorebook.

Agree. It's certainly possible that the scorer may only hear the first number, "three", and mess up the scorebook.

But isn't also equally as possible that when "thirty-two" is reported that the scorer may only hear the first number, "thirty", and mess up the scorebook?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. It's certainly possible that the scorer may only hear the first number, "three", and mess up the scorebook.

But isn't also equally as possible that when "thirty-two" is reported that the scorer may only hear the first number, "thirty", and mess up the scorebook?

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[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. It's certainly possible that the scorer may only hear the first number, "three", and mess up the scorebook.

But isn't also equally as possible that when "thirty-two" is reported that the scorer may only hear the first number, "thirty", and mess up the scorebook?

Yeah. I guess it's just something we're told to do in Ohio, so I've just gone with it.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, it's better to have the calling official (usually the T) indicate the number of shots and have the others mirror.

And, in the OP -- you can try to get your partner's attention even after s/he's administered and if there's an issue, blow the whistle before the try is released.

Agreed. The wording in the NFHS Officials Manual says the T (at lease in 3-person) should signal the number of FT's ... 3.2.3 D. 2.