YSU at UMass men's basketball game video. (Clip Added)

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Correct, the defender had not gained LGP by the time the offensive player began the motion preceding the release of the ball. That said, I don't see how the defender fouled the offensive player at all (other than not having Legal Position). The defender got knocked down, the offensive player landed cleanly. I can agree with a no-call here.

I am hopefully getting the T for taunting. Maybe even two T's as it looks like White 0 also comes over and rubs it in.

Defender has to get an initial legal guarding position before the player starts his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass the ball.

[JetMetFan]

I can see this being a block under the new NCAAM guidelines. I can also see the T for the post-dunk taunt. I can't see it being a no-call. This is too much contact to be a no-call.

Originally Posted by APG

Defender has to get an initial legal guarding position before the player starts his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass the ball.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call. Sure if both players went to the floor or the offensive player missed the shot then call a block, but I don't see how the defender disadvantaged the offensive player.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call. Sure if both players went to the floor or the offensive player missed the shot then call a block, but I don't see how the defender disadvantaged the offensive player.

Just clearing up your use of "motion preceding the release of the ball" as the deciding point between being late or in time. Motions that precede the try is verbiage that is more dealing with being in the act of shooting.

[johnny d]

My guess is they didn't go with the block because of score and time. Regardless, they should have had a T for taunting afterwards.

[ballgame99]

Isn't the defensive player standing there the whole time? Starting at :27, I'm not sure what else a guy would have to do to be in LGP.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Isn't the defensive player standing there the whole time? Starting at :27, I'm not sure what else a guy would have to do to be in LGP.

He slides over as the shooter goes airborne. And once again, the rule in the NCAA is different then high school. I would have likely had a block if I was going to call anything at the high school level as the defender was moving over on an airborne shooter.

Peace

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call.

If you don't call a block on a defender who does not have LGP, then whom do you call a block on?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

If you don't call a block on a defender who does not have LGP, then whom do you call a block on?

That isn't what he said.

[BryanV21]

No matter what call was made in this case somebody would be upset, and have reason to be. It is that close.

What isn't "close" is the taunting. You have to nip that in the bud in order to prevent possible retaliation later. Whether it's late in the game or not, a fight can break out any time.

[JRutledge]

I am not so sure about the taunting. There is emotion in the game and if I dunk on someone and that guy is under you, what else do you expect him to do? He is going to look at him. I can see why that was not called in that situation.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not so sure about the taunting. There is emotion in the game and if I dunk on someone and that guy is under you, what else do you expect him to do? He is going to look at him. I can see why that was not called in that situation.

Peace

I'm not sure what this guy's face looked like, but his teammate had no reason to do the same, though.

On that note, though, looking down at a guy after the play is one thing, but making a face that is clearly meant as "LOL... you got poster-ized" is another. I mean, it would be no surprise if it ticked off the defender, and his teammates, and thus ended up in some type of altercation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I'm not sure what this guy's face looked like, but his teammate had no reason to do the same, though.

On that note, though, looking down at a guy after the play is one thing, but making a face that is clearly meant as "LOL... you got poster-ized" is another. I mean, it would be no surprise if it ticked off the defender, and his teammates, and thus ended up in some type of altercation.

As I said, emotion is apart of the game. Looking down at someone is not in itself is not taunting. Saying something to the opponent or making an unnecessary movment towards an opponent I could see. This to me looks like a player dunked on a player and had him under him. I expect him to look at him at some point. This does not look unusual or unexpected. But that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

If you don't call a block on a defender who does not have LGP, then whom do you call a block on?

5 defenders on the court did not have LGP. Not having LGP by itself is not a foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Correct, the defender had not gained LGP by the time the offensive player began the motion preceding the release of the ball. That said, I don't see how the defender fouled the offensive player at all (other than not having Legal Position). The defender got knocked down, the offensive player landed cleanly. I can agree with a no-call here.

I am hopefully getting the T for taunting. Maybe even two T's as it looks like White 0 also comes over and rubs it in.

Originally Posted by APG

Defender has to get an initial legal guarding position before the player starts his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass the ball.

This defender had LGP long before the collision....several steps worth. His problem what that he, from an LGP, slid over after the shooter went airborne making it a block. This would be a block in any year's version of the rules. Had he not moved and still got hit, it would have been a PC.