YSU at UMass men's basketball game video. (Clip Added)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

My beloved Youngstown State University Penguins men's basketball team went down to their first lost of the season to UMass yesterday. I knew they were going to get beat.

I was watching Sports Center earlier this evening that the No. 3 Play of the day was a dunk by a UMass player over a YSU player. I would like to ask our video gurus to post the video if they can find it.

And then, I would like to know, how this dunk was not a PC.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

My beloved Youngstown State University Penguins men's basketball team went down to their first lost of the season to UMass yesterday. I knew they were going to get beat.

I was watching Sports Center earlier this evening that the No. 3 Play of the day was a dunk by a UMass player over a YSU player. I would like to ask our video gurus to post the video if they can find it.

And then, I would like to know, how this dunk was not a PC.

MTD, Sr.

Sure looked like a PC to me. Also didn't like the way he stood over and glared down at the defender. Possibly a T under NFHS guidelines? Could at least have shown a little class and helped him up.

[Raymond]

Text book block under the new rules. Defender moved after A1 began upward motion. If I get the block, I'm also getting the taunt by A1 afterwards.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Text book block under the new rules. Defender moved after A1 began upward motion. If I get the block, I'm also getting the taunt by A1 afterwards.

Correct, the defender had not gained LGP by the time the offensive player began the motion preceding the release of the ball. That said, I don't see how the defender fouled the offensive player at all (other than not having Legal Position). The defender got knocked down, the offensive player landed cleanly. I can agree with a no-call here.

I am hopefully getting the T for taunting. Maybe even two T's as it looks like White 0 also comes over and rubs it in.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Correct, the defender had not gained LGP by the time the offensive player began the motion preceding the release of the ball. That said, I don't see how the defender fouled the offensive player at all (other than not having Legal Position). The defender got knocked down, the offensive player landed cleanly. I can agree with a no-call here.

I am hopefully getting the T for taunting. Maybe even two T's as it looks like White 0 also comes over and rubs it in.

Defender has to get an initial legal guarding position before the player starts his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass the ball.

[JetMetFan]

I can see this being a block under the new NCAAM guidelines. I can also see the T for the post-dunk taunt. I can't see it being a no-call. This is too much contact to be a no-call.

Originally Posted by APG

Defender has to get an initial legal guarding position before the player starts his upward motion with his hands/arms to shoot or pass the ball.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call. Sure if both players went to the floor or the offensive player missed the shot then call a block, but I don't see how the defender disadvantaged the offensive player.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I'm not disagreeing with that. I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call. Sure if both players went to the floor or the offensive player missed the shot then call a block, but I don't see how the defender disadvantaged the offensive player.

Just clearing up your use of "motion preceding the release of the ball" as the deciding point between being late or in time. Motions that precede the try is verbiage that is more dealing with being in the act of shooting.

[johnny d]

My guess is they didn't go with the block because of score and time. Regardless, they should have had a T for taunting afterwards.

[ballgame99]

Isn't the defensive player standing there the whole time? Starting at :27, I'm not sure what else a guy would have to do to be in LGP.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Isn't the defensive player standing there the whole time? Starting at :27, I'm not sure what else a guy would have to do to be in LGP.

He slides over as the shooter goes airborne. And once again, the rule in the NCAA is different then high school. I would have likely had a block if I was going to call anything at the high school level as the defender was moving over on an airborne shooter.

Peace

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I am saying calling the defender for a block just because he didn't have LGP would be a weak call.

If you don't call a block on a defender who does not have LGP, then whom do you call a block on?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

If you don't call a block on a defender who does not have LGP, then whom do you call a block on?

That isn't what he said.

[BryanV21]

No matter what call was made in this case somebody would be upset, and have reason to be. It is that close.

What isn't "close" is the taunting. You have to nip that in the bud in order to prevent possible retaliation later. Whether it's late in the game or not, a fight can break out any time.