Who throws a shoe!?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You'll find a lot of disagreement on this point. As I see it our job as officials is to make sure the game is played fairly, according to the rules. This is one of the cases where applying the spirit of the rules is more important than going precisely by the book.

It is not for us to make personal judgments as to what is fair or not. The rules are in place so that game can be played fairly by both teams. I wouldn't use the spirit of the rules as a reason for making or not making a call when you are discussing with a coach. They are not going to care how you interpret the spirit of the rule and your assignor will not be able to defend your actions in that case either. As I said before, I am all for stretching rules to fit the situation at hand, but I haven't seen a compelling argument for using any of the rule options yet that I would be comfortable applying. And yes I believe there is a difference between applying the spirit of the rules to do what is fair and stretching the rules based on ones judgment of what happened on the play.

As an example from what was discussed in regards to this play. I would not call a flagrant technical on this play. If the offended coach asked my why I would tell them the action of throwing the shoe does not meet the criteria of being extreme or persistent. That would be my judgment. I would not tell them I don't think ejecting the player is fair or that it is within the spirit of the rule.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by johnny d

It is not for us to make personal judgments as to what is fair or not. The rules are in place so that game can be played fairly by both teams. I wouldn't use the spirit of the rules as a reason for making or not making a call when you are discussing with a coach. They are not going to care how you interpret the spirit of the rule and your assignor will not be able to defend your actions in that case either. As I said before, I am all for stretching rules to fit the situation at hand, but I haven't seen a compelling argument for using any of the rule options yet that I would be comfortable applying. And yes I believe there is a difference between applying the spirit of the rules to do what is fair and stretching the rules based on ones judgment of what happened on the play.

As an example from what was discussed in regards to this play. I would not call a flagrant technical on this play. If the offended coach asked my why I would tell them the action of throwing the shoe does not meet the criteria of being extreme or persistent. That would be my judgment. I would not tell them I don't think ejecting the player is fair or that it is within the spirit of the rule.

Believe me, I'm not going to tell the coach of either team why the decision was made other than to say, "Coach, there's nothing in the rule book that covers this exact situation so here's what we're going to do." When I try to hash things out with my partner(s) before we deal with the coaches that's another story. I'm sure we'd discuss it in within the context of the rules but in a 2-3 situation we're usually trying to come up with something that's fair to all involved...or at least as fair as we can be.

[KJUmp]

Being that this was an NCAAW game...can anyone post the applicable NCAAW rule (if any) that would cover this play?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Being that this was an NCAAW game...can anyone post the applicable NCAAW rule (if any) that would cover this play?

There isn't any in any code. The closest thing would be 10-3-1 (commiting an unsportsmanlike act).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The closest thing would be 10-3-1 (commiting an unsportsmanlike act).

Close? It's spot on.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Close? It's spot on.

Yeah, I know. I meant nothing like "a player is not allowed to throw her shoe at a try."

[OKREF]

I'm doing this. If the shot is on the way down, and the shoe hits the ball, I am awarding the points, either 2 or 3, and also assessing a technical foul. If it doesn't hit the ball, or it hits while on the upward flight just the technical foul.