Warm up time question

[adinle]

First of all let me start out that im not an official, I have done books for my local high school for many years.

Ok my question is what say does an official have on warm up times and for half time.

I was doing book at an away game, with like 4 minutes left during warm up, and official came up and told their timer to stop and set the clock we were going to start early. Of course our coach was upset because there wasnt time on the clock, and had no clue what was going on

Of course it wasnt a big deal, but he should have came up to the coach and said that they needed the gym for practice or something would it be ok if they started early.

Official in this is a young kid, not patched, maybe has two years experience, also stopped the game so the other teams 5 subs could go in the 3rd the game before , luckly the other ref pretended to tie his shoes to cover, (that team was up like 15 and had been subbing in 5 the whole game)

Sorry for all the needless info just wanted to know for future reference ..

[JRutledge]

All the rules state is that the official's jurisdiction starts 15 minutes before game time.

Halftime by rule is listed as 10 minutes, up to 15 minutes maximum.

No other specific rules that I am aware of dictate specific guidelines for when or how long players can warmup. If there are any such guidelines that would be more of a local issue with a state, conference or tournament dictating those standard.

I hope that helps a little. Also welcome to the forum.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Referees don't schedule the game. If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7. If all involved want to start at 6:55, then I'm OK with that but the official has no right to declare that the game should start any earlier than scheduled. If the game started late because of earlier games, then it starts late. If ALL involved or those in charge of the game (not the referees) want to shorten warmups, then fine...but again, not the referee. If he had some place better to be, he shouldn't have taken the game to start with.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7.

I'm going to remind the JV Officials about this!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by adinle

... stopped the game so the other teams 5 subs could go in ... ref pretended to tie his shoes to cover.

Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my shoe, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Referees don't schedule the game. If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7. If all involved want to start at 6:55, then I'm OK with that but the official has no right to declare that the game should start any earlier than scheduled. If the game started late because of earlier games, then it starts late. If ALL involved or those in charge of the game (not the referees) want to shorten warmups, then fine...but again, not the referee. If he had some place better to be, he shouldn't have taken the game to start with.

In general I agree with this, but during some "travel" leagues there is an expectation that the officials will keep the games on schedule, and that warmups for a later game might be shortened.

So I have to ask the OP -- what was the level involved?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my she, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

Sure you do -- 2-10.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

..I used to pretend to tie my she,...

Kinky. Did she pretend to like it?

[Adam]

The only time I ever shorten the warm up is if either both coaches agree, or the site manager instructs me to do so.

[adinle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my she, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

I agree its a good thing to do, but the losing team had the ball in bounds, and the winning team had been subbing in 5 for 5 all game, no big deal just kinda out of place..

[APG]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Sure you do -- 2-10.

What correctable error are you fixing?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Kinky. Did she pretend to like it?

Just two words, and I won't make a careless typo here: Shut up.

Originally Posted by grunewar

I'm going to remind the JV Officials about this!

Good luck, I smell some overtime JV games coming your way...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In general I agree with this, but during some "travel" leagues there is an expectation that the officials will keep the games on schedule, and that warmups for a later game might be shortened.

So I have to ask the OP -- what was the level involved?

And that is still under the direction of those scheduling the game, not a decision by the officials. The officials are just following orders there.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by adinle

First of all let me start out that im not an official, I have done books for my local high school for many years.

Ok my question is what say does an official have on warm up times and for half time.

Warm-up time is usually left up to individual leagues. The local high school league used to give the visiting coach an option of 15 or 20 minutes (I'm not sure if that's still true). The local middle school league, however, only allows 5 minutes between the 7th & 8th grade games -- just enough to get names/numbers in the book and get started.

So, your best bet is to ask your head coach and/or AD about any league-specific rules. This is usually not something an official controls.