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adinle Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:12pm

Warm up time question
 
First of all let me start out that im not an official, I have done books for my local high school for many years.

Ok my question is what say does an official have on warm up times and for half time.

I was doing book at an away game, with like 4 minutes left during warm up, and official came up and told their timer to stop and set the clock we were going to start early. Of course our coach was upset because there wasnt time on the clock, and had no clue what was going on

Of course it wasnt a big deal, but he should have came up to the coach and said that they needed the gym for practice or something would it be ok if they started early.

Official in this is a young kid, not patched, maybe has two years experience, also stopped the game so the other teams 5 subs could go in the 3rd the game before :rolleyes:, luckly the other ref pretended to tie his shoes to cover, (that team was up like 15 and had been subbing in 5 the whole game)

Sorry for all the needless info:D just wanted to know for future reference ..

JRutledge Fri Nov 08, 2013 02:02am

All the rules state is that the official's jurisdiction starts 15 minutes before game time.

Halftime by rule is listed as 10 minutes, up to 15 minutes maximum.

No other specific rules that I am aware of dictate specific guidelines for when or how long players can warmup. If there are any such guidelines that would be more of a local issue with a state, conference or tournament dictating those standard.

I hope that helps a little. Also welcome to the forum.

Peace

Camron Rust Fri Nov 08, 2013 02:12am

Referees don't schedule the game. If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7. If all involved want to start at 6:55, then I'm OK with that but the official has no right to declare that the game should start any earlier than scheduled. If the game started late because of earlier games, then it starts late. If ALL involved or those in charge of the game (not the referees) want to shorten warmups, then fine...but again, not the referee. If he had some place better to be, he shouldn't have taken the game to start with.

grunewar Fri Nov 08, 2013 05:20am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 910138)
If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7.

I'm going to remind the JV Officials about this! ;)

BillyMac Fri Nov 08, 2013 07:15am

Clock Is Winding Down, Will I Get Into The Game ???
 
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Originally Posted by adinle (Post 910136)
... stopped the game so the other teams 5 subs could go in ... ref pretended to tie his shoes to cover.

Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my shoe, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 08, 2013 08:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 910138)
Referees don't schedule the game. If those scheduling the game say it starts at 7, it starts at 7. If all involved want to start at 6:55, then I'm OK with that but the official has no right to declare that the game should start any earlier than scheduled. If the game started late because of earlier games, then it starts late. If ALL involved or those in charge of the game (not the referees) want to shorten warmups, then fine...but again, not the referee. If he had some place better to be, he shouldn't have taken the game to start with.

In general I agree with this, but during some "travel" leagues there is an expectation that the officials will keep the games on schedule, and that warmups for a later game might be shortened.

So I have to ask the OP -- what was the level involved?

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Nov 08, 2013 08:41am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 910149)
Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my she, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

Sure you do -- 2-10.

Bad Zebra Fri Nov 08, 2013 09:42am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 910149)
..I used to pretend to tie my she,...

Kinky. Did she pretend to like it? :p

Adam Fri Nov 08, 2013 09:52am

The only time I ever shorten the warm up is if either both coaches agree, or the site manager instructs me to do so.

adinle Fri Nov 08, 2013 03:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 910149)
Lopsided game. I've done the same thing myself, especially with less than a minute, or two, to go in the game, just to make sure that the kids who have been sitting on the end of the bench get into the game. I used to pretend to tie my she, but several years ago was advised by a top notch veteran official to forget the fake shoe tie, and to just sound my whistle and get the kids into the damn game. I have absolutely no rule backing for this, just common sense, sportsmanship, and spirit of the rules, or in this case, a lack of a rule.

I agree its a good thing to do, but the losing team had the ball in bounds, and the winning team had been subbing in 5 for 5 all game, no big deal just kinda out of place..

APG Fri Nov 08, 2013 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 910158)
Sure you do -- 2-10.

What correctable error are you fixing? :confused:

BillyMac Fri Nov 08, 2013 06:00pm

Stupid Spill Check ...
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 910162)
Kinky. Did she pretend to like it?

Just two words, and I won't make a careless typo here: Shut up.

AremRed Fri Nov 08, 2013 06:04pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 910143)
I'm going to remind the JV Officials about this! ;)

Good luck, I smell some overtime JV games coming your way...

Camron Rust Fri Nov 08, 2013 06:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 910157)
In general I agree with this, but during some "travel" leagues there is an expectation that the officials will keep the games on schedule, and that warmups for a later game might be shortened.

So I have to ask the OP -- what was the level involved?

And that is still under the direction of those scheduling the game, not a decision by the officials. The officials are just following orders there.

Stat-Man Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:52pm

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Originally Posted by adinle (Post 910136)
First of all let me start out that im not an official, I have done books for my local high school for many years.

Ok my question is what say does an official have on warm up times and for half time.

Warm-up time is usually left up to individual leagues. The local high school league used to give the visiting coach an option of 15 or 20 minutes (I'm not sure if that's still true). The local middle school league, however, only allows 5 minutes between the 7th & 8th grade games -- just enough to get names/numbers in the book and get started.

So, your best bet is to ask your head coach and/or AD about any league-specific rules. This is usually not something an official controls.


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