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Old Sat Nov 02, 2013, 10:15pm
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Basket Interference, Goaltending, or nothing?

NFHS rules. A layup is shot by A1. It goes off the backboard, touches the left side of the of the left side of the rim (i.e., it's going to miss and carom left). Player B1 blocks the ball away at about the same time the ball hits the left side of the left side of the rim. Is this basket interference, goaltending, or play on?
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Old Sat Nov 02, 2013, 10:29pm
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The rule for goaltending (4-22) requires the ball to be above "entirely above the basket ring level" to be called.

Similarly, the rule for basket interference (4-6-1) requires the ball to be "on or within either basket" to be called.

∴Play on.
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Old Sat Nov 02, 2013, 10:29pm
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Could you please rephrase the question on the left side of the left side of English?
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Old Sat Nov 02, 2013, 10:51pm
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Could you please rephrase the question on the left side of the left side of English?
In other words, the outside part of the rim on the left side of the basket. When the ball hits the outside part of the rim on the left side of the basket, it caroms left (as you're facing the basket).

This sitch happened tonight in a varsity fall league game. Goaltending was called. The defensive player swatted the ball away almost simultaneously with the ball hitting the outside part of the rim.

Can a official judge that the ball is going to miss based on their judgment that they "think" the ball is going to barely touch the outside part of the rim and carom away?

Does the defender need to wait until it touches the rim and starts to carom away?

I think if he touches the ball simultaneous with it touching the rim, it's basket interference, correct? Having no chance to go in, is not relevant?
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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 07:59am
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I think if he touches the ball simultaneous with it touching the rim, it's basket interference, correct? Having no chance to go in, is not relevant?

The rule is "on or within". Touching the side (or bottom) of the rim is neither.

Play on.
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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 10:26am
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With the way the play is described, I have to agree with no call.

Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.
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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 01:00pm
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With the way the play is described, I have to agree with no call.

Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.
Agree. Touching the rim is not necessarily on the rim.
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Old Mon Nov 04, 2013, 08:31am
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It was probably called goaltending because some people think that after it hits the backboard you can't still block the shot, like in NCAA, but if it's NFHS game it is still legal.
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Old Mon Nov 04, 2013, 08:55am
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1. It was a missed call.

or

2. The official saw it differently than the way it's described.
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Old Mon Nov 04, 2013, 10:08am
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It was probably called goaltending because some people think that after it hits the backboard you can't still block the shot, like in NCAA, ...
That only applies if any part of the ball is above the basket.
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Old Mon Nov 04, 2013, 10:52am
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Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.
And yet 90% of HS coaches will whine for a goaltending call on this play.
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