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Coach Bill Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:15pm

Basket Interference, Goaltending, or nothing?
 
NFHS rules. A layup is shot by A1. It goes off the backboard, touches the left side of the of the left side of the rim (i.e., it's going to miss and carom left). Player B1 blocks the ball away at about the same time the ball hits the left side of the left side of the rim. Is this basket interference, goaltending, or play on?

AremRed Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:29pm

The rule for goaltending (4-22) requires the ball to be above "entirely above the basket ring level" to be called.

Similarly, the rule for basket interference (4-6-1) requires the ball to be "on or within either basket" to be called.

∴Play on.

johnny d Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:29pm

Could you please rephrase the question on the left side of the left side of English?

Coach Bill Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 909734)
Could you please rephrase the question on the left side of the left side of English?

In other words, the outside part of the rim on the left side of the basket. When the ball hits the outside part of the rim on the left side of the basket, it caroms left (as you're facing the basket).

This sitch happened tonight in a varsity fall league game. Goaltending was called. The defensive player swatted the ball away almost simultaneously with the ball hitting the outside part of the rim.

Can a official judge that the ball is going to miss based on their judgment that they "think" the ball is going to barely touch the outside part of the rim and carom away?

Does the defender need to wait until it touches the rim and starts to carom away?

I think if he touches the ball simultaneous with it touching the rim, it's basket interference, correct? Having no chance to go in, is not relevant?

bob jenkins Sun Nov 03, 2013 07:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 909735)
I think if he touches the ball simultaneous with it touching the rim, it's basket interference, correct? Having no chance to go in, is not relevant?


The rule is "on or within". Touching the side (or bottom) of the rim is neither.

Play on.

johnny d Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:26am

With the way the play is described, I have to agree with no call.

Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.

Camron Rust Sun Nov 03, 2013 01:00pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 909748)
With the way the play is described, I have to agree with no call.

Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.

Agree. Touching the rim is not necessarily on the rim.

jritchie Mon Nov 04, 2013 08:31am

It was probably called goaltending because some people think that after it hits the backboard you can't still block the shot, like in NCAA, but if it's NFHS game it is still legal.

Adam Mon Nov 04, 2013 08:55am

1. It was a missed call.

or

2. The official saw it differently than the way it's described.

Raymond Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 909801)
It was probably called goaltending because some people think that after it hits the backboard you can't still block the shot, like in NCAA, ...

That only applies if any part of the ball is above the basket.

Bad Zebra Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 909748)
Cannot be goaltending for number of reasons: ball below or at best level with rim and no chance to go in.

Cannot be BI because not on the cylinder or within the cylinder.

And yet 90% of HS coaches will whine for a goaltending call on this play.


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