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A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, or if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.
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Adam, take a look at NFHS 4-13-1 – the definition of frontcourt:
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TC established: check, as soon as the throw in starts FC established: check, as soon as A2 tips the ball (standing in the FC) Last to touch in the FC before it goes into the BC: Check, A2's tip. First to touch after it goes into the BC: Check, when A3 retrieves ball in BC. By rule, this is a violation. By repeated expressed intent, it is not.
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Stupid NFHS ...
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4-12-2d A team is in control of the ball when a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in. 4-42-5a The throw-in ends when the passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds. So when the ball is touched by A2 on the throw-in, the throw-in is over. If A2 didn’t gain control of the ball there’s no team control for the purpose of calling violations so if the ball rolls into the backcourt and A3 picks it up the play is legal. The TC rule on the throw-in only covers penalties applied to fouls. I found this on the web from the NFHS’s 2011-12 rule interpretations. The scenario is slightly different but the essence is the same: SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2’s hand and goes into Team A’s backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt. RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)
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And the rule changed so that "player control in the front court" is no longer required. It was always a clunky way around it anyway. But, the fact is, relying on old interpretations and powerpoint presentations is a horrible way to get proper enforcement. As Billy notes, rookies aren't going to have access to those things online.
Further, veterans don't always pay attention, and some just read the rules to get updates. When they read this rule, they'll rightly consider this a violation.
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Sure, the throwin is over, but TC hasn't ended (see 4-12-3). |
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Believe me, I know it’s convoluted but that’s what I found consistently in all of the online results. In this scenario, yes. When the ball is touched inbounds Team A has to re-establish control for violations to come into play again.
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Doesn't the team control aspect on a throw in, (which was changed just a few years back), only really apply to fouls on the offense? We no longer shoot free throws, when at one time we did. A tipped ball on the throw in isn't possession, it just means that the throw in ended. If A2 touches the throw in and the ball goes into the backcourt, and A3 gains possession, the only thing I have is a 10 second count.
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