Protective Gear Really Needed?

[BillyMac]

Regarding elbow, and knee, pads. Is there a difference, in terms of NFHS rules, between a compression sleeve (arm, or leg) with a pad, and one without a pad, in terms of medical need, color, etc. I'll be taking the Fashion Police detective's exam in a few weeks and need to get this straight.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Regarding elbow, and knee, pads. Is there a difference, in terms of NFHS rules, between a compression sleeve (arm, or leg) with a pad, and one without a pad, in terms of medical need, color, etc. I'll be taking the Fashion Police detective's exam in a few weeks and need to get this straight.

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

Sorry, Bob. He’s sworn to secrecy for a few weeks . I think our group is going over the exam next Wednesday so I’ll have answer that night.

He reminded us this is the last year we get help from him. Next year he makes the exam. He’s also a teacher in real life so beware!

[Rob1968]

4-24-5 b seems to be the Rule that evoked the wording of this question. It does not mention an opponent "with the ball", and the (usually) simplistic choice of questions on the test indicate an answer of True.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

4-24-5 b seems to be the Rule that evoked the wording of this question.

NCAAW 4-24 is "Pass", and there is no 4-24-5 b (nor 4-34-5 b)

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW 4-24 is "Pass", and there is no 4-24-5 b (nor 4-34-5 b)

Sorry, Bob, I was referencing NFHS, and missed the subject of NCAAW.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

From my FNI: In NCAAW, these items come under the sleeve rules and regulations (and I only wish my arms/legs were this muscular).

From my FNI, IAABO interpreter version: I’m told the ruling is the same as NCAAW. Whether it truly is the same on the national level remains to be seen but that’s what I’m dealing with in my neck of the woods.

[Raymond]

When Karl Malone admits that he intentionally elbowed Isaiah Thomas in the face, then I'll listen to anything else he has to say.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

From my FNI: In NCAAW, these items come under the sleeve rules and regulations (and I only wish my arms/legs were this muscular).

From my FNI, IAABO interpreter version: I’m told the ruling is the same as NCAAW. Whether it truly is the same on the national level remains to be seen but that’s what I’m dealing with in my neck of the woods.

Thanks JetMetFan.

How about the more "primitive" elbow, and knee, pads that have less of a "sleeve" look and more of a "pad" look, knee pads that I never concerned myself with in the past, before we had color restrictions on anything below the waist.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks JetMetFan.

How about the more "primitive" elbow, and knee, pads that have less of a "sleeve" look and more of a "pad" look, knee pads that I never concerned myself with in the past, before we had color restrictions on anything below the waist.

I can comfortably say in NCAAW those don’t have any color restrictions. My FNI said Debbie Williamson already ruled on the “volleyball-style” pads last year. As for NFHS, I can’t see why there would be any color issues with the old-school padding.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I can comfortably say in NCAAW those don’t have any color restrictions. My FNI said Debbie Williamson already ruled on the “volleyball-style” pads last year. As for NFHS, I can’t see why there would be any color issues with the old-school padding.

Thanks again. Certainly sounds reasonable, rational, within the spirit of the rules, and accommodating to the players, and to the parents, who purchase such pads. But, really, seriously, do officials expect NFHS Fashion Police rules to be reasonable, rational, and accommodating?