Protective Gear Really Needed?

[APG]

Or the NFHS could just get over it and not delegate officials to be the fashion police besides the bare minimum (jerseys with same color and with numbers on them, and shorts/pants) and only concern us with things that affect safety.

[potato]

I think those knee pads with paddings, or inner shirt with paddings, or crotch protector can actually help reduce the impact, pain & injury during collision.

Even a normal elbow pad would help when the player's falling flat.

Originally Posted by APG

Or the NFHS could just get over it and not delegate officials to be the fashion police besides the bare minimum (jerseys with same color and with numbers on them, and shorts/pants) and only concern us with things that affect safety.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by potato

I think those knee pads with paddings, or inner shirt with paddings, or crotch protector can actually help reduce the impact, pain & injury during collision.

Even a normal elbow pad would help when the player's falling flat.

Or it allows them to be more physical with less concern about getting hurt in the process. Take the pads off both players and you just might see them both back the physicality down a notch.

[BillyMac]

Regarding elbow, and knee, pads. Is there a difference, in terms of NFHS rules, between a compression sleeve (arm, or leg) with a pad, and one without a pad, in terms of medical need, color, etc. I'll be taking the Fashion Police detective's exam in a few weeks and need to get this straight.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Regarding elbow, and knee, pads. Is there a difference, in terms of NFHS rules, between a compression sleeve (arm, or leg) with a pad, and one without a pad, in terms of medical need, color, etc. I'll be taking the Fashion Police detective's exam in a few weeks and need to get this straight.

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

Sorry, Bob. He’s sworn to secrecy for a few weeks . I think our group is going over the exam next Wednesday so I’ll have answer that night.

He reminded us this is the last year we get help from him. Next year he makes the exam. He’s also a teacher in real life so beware!

[Rob1968]

4-24-5 b seems to be the Rule that evoked the wording of this question. It does not mention an opponent "with the ball", and the (usually) simplistic choice of questions on the test indicate an answer of True.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While you're asking, maybe you can ask about this question from the test:

Question #12
A player shall not take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot avoid contact by stopping or changing directions
a. True
b. False

As written, it's clearly false (time and distance aren't needed when guarding a player with the ball).

But, since screens are a POE (or whatever), and since the wording in the question is a direct quote from 4-34-3, I'm thinking that they meant the question to apply to screens, which would make it true.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

That’s a good question. On the NCAAW side of things I’m going to ask my FNI (Friendly Neighborhood Interpreter). He’ll know or at least he should be able to find out since he’s going to be the Secretary-Rules Editor as of next September.

As for NFHS, I think an e-mail to my local interpreter is in order as well.

From my FNI: In NCAAW, these items come under the sleeve rules and regulations (and I only wish my arms/legs were this muscular).

From my FNI, IAABO interpreter version: I’m told the ruling is the same as NCAAW. Whether it truly is the same on the national level remains to be seen but that’s what I’m dealing with in my neck of the woods.

[Raymond]

When Karl Malone admits that he intentionally elbowed Isaiah Thomas in the face, then I'll listen to anything else he has to say.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

From my FNI: In NCAAW, these items come under the sleeve rules and regulations (and I only wish my arms/legs were this muscular).

From my FNI, IAABO interpreter version: I’m told the ruling is the same as NCAAW. Whether it truly is the same on the national level remains to be seen but that’s what I’m dealing with in my neck of the woods.

Thanks JetMetFan.

How about the more "primitive" elbow, and knee, pads that have less of a "sleeve" look and more of a "pad" look, knee pads that I never concerned myself with in the past, before we had color restrictions on anything below the waist.

[potato]

and people were saying NBA is getting less & less physical.

but you'd never know when a collision may take place, intentionally or non-intentionally and it might just cause a career breaking injury.

it's like bikers wearing exoskeleton suits vs those that only wear helmets, it's their choice since it's an safety issue. as long as they don't wear spiked elbow pads i don't see a problem since the pads protects both players in contact by absorbing the force.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or it allows them to be more physical with less concern about getting hurt in the process. Take the pads off both players and you just might see them both back the physicality down a notch.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by potato

...i don't see a problem since the pads protects both players in contact by absorbing the force.

Pads allow both player to go at each other harder without being as worried about injuring themselves.

Imagine how football would change if players were not allowed to wear pads or helmets. You'd probably see fewer major injuries as players wouldn't hit with such recklessness.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Imagine how football would change if players were not allowed to wear pads or helmets. .

I think they call that rugby.

And there are still some major hits in rugby. Not as many, but check out highlights of the "All Blacks" when you have time.

[Bad Zebra]

Boys middle school championship tonight (they play MS before the HS season due to shortage of officials ) Fed Rules. Home team is in white. They are wearing black leg sleeves, blue leg sleeves (a school color), one kid with black knee pads (old school style mentioned above) black arm sleeves and one player with a grey (gray?) undershirt.

Visitors were in red. They are wearing black leg sleeves, red leg sleeves and no arm sleeves that we noticed.

We told both coaches to pick a color sleeve for arms and legs and go with it. Of course both coaches claimed they were wearing these combinations all year..."and what about them? they are wearing both". Yes coach, we are telling them the same thing. Of course the home team goes with the blue leg sleeves and the kid with the knee pads (black) keeps them on. We have to explain to the visiting coach the difference. Additionally, the kid with the grey undershirt starts to strip his shirt off at the bench...whoa junior...take it to the locker room.

This drill took up pretty much the entire warm up period. It would have been a great example for the case book. What a cluster ****.

All this...and it's only middle school. I couldn't make up a more ridiculous scenario if I tried. In the end...home team gets to a running clock and we get out of Dodge in about an hour and a half. I hope this isn't a preview of the season.