"Unofficial" signals

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

As for the last second shot, here, we point one finger in the air. The official who has the last shot chest bumps his palm.

Thank you. I absolutely despise seeing guys pat their head to indicate a last second shot. I'm waiting for them to rub their tummy as well.

[constable]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Thank you. I absolutely despise seeing guys pat their head to indicate a last second shot. I'm waiting for them to rub their tummy as well.

2 years ago IAABO published an article in the sportorial advising against people patting their head. This was done as it could lead to confusion due to it being the signal for a shot clock violation in the NCAA.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Thank you. I absolutely despise seeing guys pat their head to indicate a last second shot. I'm waiting for them to rub their tummy as well.

That was how I was initially learned.

[BillyMac]

Does anyone use an intra-crew unofficial signal to let your partner know that there's only a short time left in the period (one minute) so as to not be surprised by, and possibly miss, a close call (shot released) at the end of the period.

Over the past thirty-two years, we've had a lot of unofficial signals for this, head patting (like the clock violation signal), point to your wrist (I guess that it would be point to your cell phone now), single finger (for one minute), point to clock and turn finger clockwise (mimicking a clock), etc.

For most of my thirty-two years, many of us were reluctant to use any such signal at all, because we had an assistant interpreter, he was a by the book guy (no signal for this in the book), who also ran our training committee, who discouraged us from using any such signal. When questioned about why he discouraged such signals, he always responded that both of us should know how much time is left.

He retired a few years ago and now we're left hanging in the wind.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does anyone use an intra-crew unofficial signal to let your partner know that there's only a short time left in the period (one minute) so as to not be surprised by, and possibly miss, a close call (shot released) at the end of the period.

Over the past thirty-two years, we've had a lot of unofficial signals for this, head patting (like the clock violation signal), point to your wrist (I guess that it would be point to your cell phone now), single finger (for one minute), point to clock and turn finger clockwise (mimicking a clock), etc.

For most of my thirty-two years, many of us were reluctant to use any such signal at all, because we had an assistant interpreter, he was a by the book guy (no signal for this in the book), who also ran our training committee, who discouraged us from using any such signal. When questioned about why he discouraged such signals, he always responded that both of us should know how much time is left.

He retired a few years ago and now we're left hanging in the wind.

Although you both should know how much time is on the clock, it is good for the crew to know that the rest of the crew knows. End of game good shot/late shot situations are often thought of as the most important play of the game if it is a one posession ball game. Getting this call is crucial and your crew will sink or swim depending on if you got it right or not. It looks awfully bad when the covering official loses track of time and isn't even remotely thinking about if the shot is off in time. The communication between the crew I think is appropriate here. We use a one finger point to our Ps to verify they check the clock and know the time remaining. Some use the head pat thing but I will agree this can be confused with shot clock violation signiling so I don't like it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does anyone use an intra-crew unofficial signal to let your partner know that there's only a short time left in the period (one minute) so as to not be surprised by, and possibly miss, a close call (shot released) at the end of the period.

I have to ask, did you even read the rest of the thread?

(Please don't quote all the posts in this thread about that issue.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have to ask, did you even read the rest of the thread?

Did you read my post? I'm not talking about last second shot responsibility, I have already posted our unofficial/official IAABO chest thump for that. I'm talking about when the clock begins to wind down under a minute, which may not necessarily be the same as the last shot of the period. In the last minutes of play in any period, especially in a lop sided game, the kids may just keep on "playing basketball", not setting up for a last second shot. With only two officials here in The Land That Time Forgot, sometimes the two officials just get caught up in the up, and down, action on the court. If both of us don't know that there is less than a minute left, then there will certainly not be a last second shot responsibility signal. I am embarrassed to tell you how many times in thirty-two years that I have been surprised when the horn sounded to end a period. If one of us notices that there is about a minute left, he should communicate that with his partner, who, right, or wrong, might not know.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Did you read my post? I'm not talking about last second shot responsibility,

My bad

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does anyone use an intra-crew unofficial signal to let your partner know that there's only a short time left in the period (one minute) so as to not be surprised by, and possibly miss, a close call (shot released) at the end of the period.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I have already posted our unofficial/official IAABO chest thump for that. I'm talking about when the clock begins to wind down under a minute, which may not necessarily be the same as the last shot of the period. In the last minutes of play in any period, especially in a lop sided game, the kids may just keep on "playing basketball", not setting up for a last second shot. With only two officials here in The Land That Time Forgot, sometimes the two officials just get caught up in the up, and down, action on the court. If both of us don't know that there is less than a minute left, then there will certainly not be a last second shot responsibility signal. I am embarrassed to tell you how many times in thirty-two years that I have been surprised when the horn sounded to end a period. If one of us notices that there is about a minute left, he should communicate that with his partner, who, right, or wrong, might not know.

The answer is the same, for most of us, regardless of what's going on with 60 seconds left.

When there will be a last second shot, we'll do the signals again sometimes if there's a change in possession.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

The answer is the same, for most of us, regardless of what's going on with 60 seconds left. When there will be a last second shot, we'll do the signals again sometimes if there's a change in possession.

Originally Posted by Adam

As for the last second shot, here, we point one finger in the air. The official who has the last shot chest bumps his palm.

Still confused? Clock winding down? One finger. I've got last shot? Chest bump. I like what I hear, sounds like what I would like to do, but how are the answers the same?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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He retired a few years ago and now we're left hanging in the wind.

Left hanging? You guys afraid to step out on your own and throw caution to the wind?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Left hanging? You guys afraid to step out on your own and throw caution to the wind?

The assistant interpreter/training committee official who discouraged many from using such a signal had a far reaching effect on many officials on our local board. He was one of our top officials for many years, doing a state final almost every year for over twenty-five years. He was a mentor to many officials, including me, and still has many disciples. Our present group of interpreters/training committee officials seem to be reluctant to "teach" any unofficial signals, maybe due to pressure from IAABO "above".

That's why we have four different unofficial signals rattling around (head patting, point to your wrist, single finger, point to clock and turn finger clockwise), or no signal. If I can get an often used signal from you guys, I might step up and suggest it to the interpreter, and training committee.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The assistant interpreter/training committee official who discouraged many from using such a signal had a far reaching effect on many officials on our local board. He was one of our top officials for many years, doing a state final almost every year for over twenty-five years. He was a mentor to many officials, including me, and still has many disciples. Our present group of interpreters/training committee officials seem to be reluctant to "teach" any unofficial signals, maybe due to pressure from IAABO "above".

That's why we have four different unofficial signals rattling around (head patting, point to your wrist, single finger, point to clock and turn finger clockwise), or no signal. If I can get an often used signal from you guys, I might step up and suggest it to the interpreter, and training committee.

One finger (no, not that finger) is used in the second half of college games because of the shot-clock rule.

One finger is used in the first half because it's used in the second half.

One finger is used in HS games because it's used in college games.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

Because when we do this, we acknowledge who has the last shot, even if there's 60 seconds left. Although frankly, I tend to wait until about 30 seconds or so to do anything.

Exactly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The assistant interpreter/training committee official who discouraged many from using such a signal had a far reaching effect on many officials on our local board. He was one of our top officials for many years, doing a state final almost every year for over twenty-five years. He was a mentor to many officials, including me, and still has many disciples. Our present group of interpreters/training committee officials seem to be reluctant to "teach" any unofficial signals, maybe due to pressure from IAABO "above".

That's why we have four different unofficial signals rattling around (head patting, point to your wrist, single finger, point to clock and turn finger clockwise), or no signal. If I can get an often used signal from you guys, I might step up and suggest it to the interpreter, and training committee.

Billy, you've been officiating for 32 years. You need to help set the tone for your association. You shouldn't be waiting for guys to tell you what is acceptable.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You need to help set the tone for your association. You shouldn't be waiting for guys to tell you what is acceptable.

This is what I like: Clock winding down: One finger; I've got last shot: Chest bump. Plus, the chest bump is IAABO approved.

I don't like the head pat (not that anyone would be confused, it's just already an approved signal for something else).

Just want to see what's out there before I make my move.