Player breaking the OOB plane.....what's the call?

[GregAlan]

Player A's team last touched the ball, and it is heading out of bounds. Player A runs and grabs the ball, jumps and is in the air, throws it back into play to a teammate, but before he threw the ball, he had passed over the sideline and broken the "plane" of what is out of bounds. Do you call him OUT before he threw it, or is the ball live because he hasn't come back down yet out of bounds? This should be simple, but I was conducting a referee training yesterday, and one of the trainees said that the PIL league here in Oregon is calling that out of bounds and dead ball if the player has broken the sideline plane. I don't know. Comments?

[MO_Ref]

The player is not out of bounds if you use NFHS Rule 7-1(also refering to 4-35).

[Lotto]

Agreed. For a player in the air, "you are where you were." So if the player was inbounds before becoming airborne, then he's inbounds the whole time he is in the air.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by GregAlan
I don't know. Comments?

Sure you do. Greg, if you've watched any basketball at all, you've seen hundreds of plays where a player saves the ball from going OOB by doing exactly what you describe. You've also seen plays where the player requests TO in this sitch. A player isn't OOB until he touches OOB.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by GregAlan
but I was conducting a referee training yesterday, and one of the trainees said that the PIL league here in Oregon is calling that out of bounds and dead ball if the player has broken the sideline plane. I don't know. Comments?

I've worked with dozens of officials who work the PIL. None of them I've ever met is that dumb (except one who told me a player's status is determined by his "center of gravity").

I doubt very highly that Howard Mayo ever taught this to any PBOA official.

BTW - there are no separate rules for the PIL. They use standard NF rules as adopted by the OSAA.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

I've worked with dozens of officials who work the PIL. None of them I've ever met is that dumb (except one who told me a player's status is determined by his "center of gravity").

I doubt very highly that Howard Mayo ever taught this to any PBOA official.

BTW - there are no separate rules for the PIL. They use standard NF rules as adopted by the OSAA.

GregAlan--
PIL would be Portland Interscholastic League, in Portland Oregon, correct? I've been IN the PBOA (Portland Basketball officials' Association) for four years. We cover all the PIL games, boys, girls, Freshman, JV and Varsity. All their scrimmages, pre-season, play-off and tournament games. I've never heard of such a thing. I'd be curious if you'd privately e-mail me who the person was that said that. I'm sure someone in our association would like to discuss with him his interpretation of the rule, and his read on what he is being told.

By the way, where are you, and what training was it? Perhaps some of us Portland-Vancouver forum members already know you and we could chat some time.

[Nevadaref]

When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

[dblref]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

[mick]

Thinking ... outside of the lines.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by dblref

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

NVRef is correct.

[imyourant12]

im sorry about that. im the one that greg asked the question for. i must have been severly confused (or the referees didnt explain the entire situation to me). please forgive my mistake

[dblref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

NVRef is correct.

Tony: I'm not following you on this. I'll have to dig out my soccer rule book, but as I remember it, if a player kicks the ball forward and it goes completely over the line (OOB) and never touches anything OOB, it can come back across the line and remain in play.

[Hawks Coach]

. . . unless NFHS has changed a fundamental rule of soccer.

From FIFA's Laws of the Game
Law 9, Ball In and Out of Play
Ball Out of Play
The ball is out of play when:
it has wholly crossed the goal line or touch
line whether on the ground or in the air
play has been stopped by the referee

I played, coached and reffed soccer and know of no league where this is not the rule.

[Mark Padgett]

Holy nil, Batman. Why don't you guys take this Euro discussion over to the French (read: soccer) board?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by dblref

Tony: I'm not following you on this. I'll have to dig out my soccer rule book, but as I remember it, if a player kicks the ball forward and it goes completely over the line (OOB) and never touches anything OOB, it can come back across the line and remain in play.

If the ball completely breaks the sideline plane, it's out, whether grounded or airborne.