Player breaking the OOB plane.....what's the call?

dblref

Originally posted by Nevadaref
When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

mick

Thinking ... outside of the lines.

BktBallRef

Originally posted by dblref

Originally posted by Nevadaref
When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

NVRef is correct.

imyourant12

im sorry about that. im the one that greg asked the question for. i must have been severly confused (or the referees didnt explain the entire situation to me). please forgive my mistake

dblref

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by dblref

Originally posted by Nevadaref
When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

NVRef is correct.

Tony: I'm not following you on this. I'll have to dig out my soccer rule book, but as I remember it, if a player kicks the ball forward and it goes completely over the line (OOB) and never touches anything OOB, it can come back across the line and remain in play.

Hawks Coach

. . . unless NFHS has changed a fundamental rule of soccer.

From FIFA's Laws of the Game
Law 9, Ball In and Out of Play
Ball Out of Play
The ball is out of play when:
it has wholly crossed the goal line or touch
line whether on the ground or in the air
play has been stopped by the referee

I played, coached and reffed soccer and know of no league where this is not the rule.

Mark Padgett

Holy nil, Batman. Why don't you guys take this Euro discussion over to the French (read: soccer) board?

BktBallRef

Originally posted by dblref

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Originally posted by dblref

Originally posted by Nevadaref
When the entire ball breaks the plane it is OOB and dead,... under NFHS SOCCER rules!

Not true unless the rules have changed in the 2 years since I stopped doing HS soccer. The ball can break the plane completely and come back in (in the air), except on a corner kick.

NVRef is correct.

Tony: I'm not following you on this. I'll have to dig out my soccer rule book, but as I remember it, if a player kicks the ball forward and it goes completely over the line (OOB) and never touches anything OOB, it can come back across the line and remain in play.

If the ball completely breaks the sideline plane, it's out, whether grounded or airborne.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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I've worked with dozens of officials who work the PIL. None of them I've ever met is that dumb (except one who told me a player's status is determined by his "center of gravity").

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He is even dumber, the correct term is "center of mass" not "center of gravity."

ChuckElias

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
He is even dumber, the correct term is "center of mass" not "center of gravity."

I'm not sure that makes him dumber, Mark. I'm not particularly dumb, but I've never heard the phrase "center of mass" before your post. I think that unless you are trained as an engineer, "center of mass" doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Dan_ref

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

I've worked with dozens of officials who work the PIL. None of them I've ever met is that dumb (except one who told me a player's status is determined by his "center of gravity").

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He is even dumber, the correct term is "center of mass" not "center of gravity." [/B][/QUOTE]

Somehow I always thought that in a uniform field center of mass = center of gravity. Apparently these people agree:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cm.html

Did I miss something?

Edit: Maybe they differ when doing dynamic analysis?

[Edited by Dan_ref on Aug 8th, 2003 at 10:31 AM]

Dan_ref

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
He is even dumber, the correct term is "center of mass" not "center of gravity."

...I'm not particularly dumb...

Gee, I dunno, I once heard that you are not just run of the mill dumb but "f***ing dumb".

Or was that stupid...anyway, carry on.

😛

ChuckElias

Got me there, pardner 🙂

rainmaker

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Somehow I always thought that in a uniform field center of mass = center of gravity.

Dan, I suppose Mark might be assuming that the human body (especially the one of the person Padgett refers to) IS NOT a "uniform" field of mass.

Mark Dexter

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Somehow I always thought that in a uniform field center of mass = center of gravity. Apparently these people agree:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cm.html

Did I miss something?

Edit: Maybe they differ when doing dynamic analysis?

[Edited by Dan_ref on Aug 8th, 2003 at 10:31 AM]

Yup - only problem is, good luck finding a uniform gravitational field.