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Sun Oct 10, 1999, 10:54pm
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I've only been working this season since September, but the coaches have begun acting like jerks already. Today, I did fall rec league JV girls and boys (varsity yesterday). One girls coach, rumored to be an "ex-official" according to him (emphasis on "ex") kept complaining about my partner today. He asked him why he made a 3 second call from the trail position (so?) and generally gave him some crap. It just so happens that my partner is the varsity evaluator for the largest officials association in the state and certainly one of the best high school officials in the region. Oh yeah - he didn't like me indicating that a shot was a 2, not a 3, even though I was 2 feet from the girl and looking right at her foot on the line as she shot. He kept asking if I was "sure". No coach, I just make this up as I go along. In one game, he complained about over and back, 3 seconds, carrying, traveling, 10 second backcourt violation, 5 second closely guarded and virtually every type of foul there is. I'm sure he covered the entire violation section of the rulebook. BTW - his team was up by 30 in the second quarter (no kidding) and he was pressing. In the fourth quarter, up by over 45, we reminded him there was a league rule that you could not guard in the backcourt in the 4th quarter if you were up by 20 or more, so he told his girls to trap at half-court! This guy gets the oscar for best performance by a jerk in a leading role. Where do they come from? And why do I get them?
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Mon Oct 11, 1999, 02:20am
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Mark
I have had a few like that myself, the only thing that you can do is give the coach a Techinal. That should shut him up for a while, if not give him another (tech). Then he will probably leave you alone, if not then he gets sent to the showers. Just make sure there is an assistant coach on the bench, wouldn't want to see a forfeit of a game because the coach got thrown out. ------------------
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Mon Oct 11, 1999, 08:30am
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It sure sounds like you're living right, Mark.
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Mon Oct 11, 1999, 01:22pm
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Mark... It has been a while since I ref. basketball but doing rec. ball is an excellent way to get ready for the bigger leagues. However, the coaches in rec. ball are coaches that want a name for themselves. They try to influence you how great they are in coaching. But rec. ball is rec. ball. It is supposed to a low key league for the kids. I do just high school and college football as a white hat and some times you get the same from freshman coaches. One game a few years back, a freshman coach did the same thing, complaining about my partner and my partner is a Pac-Ten official. So you get them all some times.......Larry Gonski
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Mon Oct 11, 1999, 01:39pm
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If I ever have a coach in a rec league pull a stunt like the half court trap, I will guarantee that every time an opposing player gets close to the jerk's kid there will be a foul call. Generally it only takes 3-5 fouls and even the dumbest coach will get the message. There are probably officials out there who think it is not up to us to decide how a team plays, but I'll never let a coach do that to the other kids ing rec leagues.
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Tue Oct 12, 1999, 08:28am
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quote: Kelly, that is exactly how I would handle it--it's just good game control.
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Tue Oct 12, 1999, 10:07pm
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Mark -
The mentality of rec. ball is incredibly different from organized basketball. For what ever reason rec. coaches beleive they have more "pull" with refs in rec ball. The opposite should be true. But for reasons such as lack of preperation, lack of professionalism, ect. (that we all do when we referee rec games) it is not. We can however, nip the problem in the rear by giving coaches "Ts" early and staying on top of the sitution. I agree, rec coaches and players can be a problem.
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Fri Oct 15, 1999, 04:45pm
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quote: Oh, but it is up to us to decide how the teams are going to play. You have made a great point, don't back out on it!
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Fri Oct 15, 1999, 05:32pm
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Well I used to feel that it was my responsibility to make sure the Jerk Coaches didn't run up the score, but after talking to a fellow official I have changed my stance.
She convinced me that this kind of stuff has a tendency to come back around. Think of it this way. A team is way behind being beatin soundly and they are trapping. You as an official change the way you are calling the game and in favor of the team that is behind then all of a sudden the losing team is back in the game. Now we get down to the last 2 minutes and it's a 4 point game. At the end of the game the team that was getting shelacked comes from behind and wins. How much of what you did changed the outcome of the game? Probably alot. Now is that fair? No? It is our responsibility to ensure the game is played fairly not to ensure that one team is held to a higher standard. Sorry it just doesn't work for me. As the article says, "It's None of your Business" see and tell me if you don't agree. http://www.ereferee.com/index.cgi?ca...&file=blowouts ------------------ Ron Seattle Officials - Women's Basketball [This message has been edited by Ron Pilo (edited October 15, 1999).] [This message has been edited by Ron Pilo (edited October 15, 1999).]
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Mon Oct 18, 1999, 05:49pm
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There are probably some legitimate reasons to run up a score that we may not know about. In a local YMCA league, the teams were divided into two divisions based on a seeding tournament. One of the teams had a very good seeding tournament and was placed into the upper division. Some of the other coaches that had played his team suggested that he might want to voluntarily move down to the second division where he could be more competitive. After a couple of the teams were nice and only beat his team by around 20 points, he was given another opportunity to drop to the second division. After he refused to consider the possibility that his team was in a division over their heads, the second to last place team quit being nice and drilled his team by over 40 points. I still don't know if he got the message and agreed to switch divisions.
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