Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

There is no competitive advantage gained in either case.

You must have missed this one:

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is a good example of a player being handicapped if he doesn't know the details of a rule. If the thrower is pressured, he needs to take advantage of the freedom that he does have. This is, after all, the only place where a ball fake can include jumping and returning to the floor.

And the four examples where coaches were charged with technical fouls.

Originally Posted by BillyMac: I had to T up a coach this past year because he wouldn't stop complaining to my partner, who, as the administering official, let a player "move" on a designated spot throwin. The coach kept saying, "But he can't move". My partner tried, and I tried, to explain the movement limitations on a designated spot throwin, but he wouldn't accept any of that, he just kept saying, "But he can't move". Eventually, I had to tell him to, "Sit down".

Originally Posted by Camron Rust: I've T'd a coach over an opponent who "moved" on a spot throw in because he was sure they couldn't "move". Where did he get that idea? From officials who tell the players and coaches "don't move". By saying "don't move" you have confused them, not informed them.

Originally Posted by JeffM: Player asks me to back the defender up to give him three feet. I told him no, but that he can back up as far as he would like. He points to a spot three feet behind him and asks if that is ok. I told him yes and he could back up all the way to the wall if he would like. The idea seemed foreign to him. I think very few players understand this rule. Otherwise, they would back up more frequently to have a clear passing lane.

Originally Posted by Adam

4. I've T'd a coach (lower level game) for arguing about a thrower who "traveled."

And this one:

Originally Posted by JeffM

Player asks me to back the defender up to give him three feet. I told him no, but that he can back up as far as he would like. He points to a spot three feet behind him and asks if that is ok. I told him yes and he could back up all the way to the wall if he would like. The idea seemed foreign to him. I think very few players understand this rule. Otherwise, they would back up more frequently to have a clear passing lane.

If we keep saying, "Don't move", then eventually, a lot of players, coaches, fans, and maybe a few ignorant officials, are going to think that the player can't move.

And, if you're one of those 10,000 IAABO members, in one of those thirty-eight states, and you say, "Don't move", then you need to read the IAABO Mechanics Manual.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO Crew of Two Basketball Officials Manual (Page 38) Throwin E) Throwin Administration 1) Administering official shall visually sweep the floor d) signal type of throwin 1) designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "designated spot")

And, as an IAABO member, if you continue to say, "Don't move", then you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame.

[Travelling Man]

OK, so this "psuedo-violation" must have had its origin somewhere in the primordial soup of in-game "coach vs. official" confrontations way back in the day. And, evidently it has morphed into a national [international] practice.

Why not just tell the player: "you can move if that helps your throw in angle"? What's the big problem with just notifying/telling them?

And if the opposing coach disagrees, show him/her in the rule book where it's allowed--or at least "not disallowed".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Why not just tell the player: "you can move if that helps your throw in angle"? What's the big problem with just notifying/telling them?

Because, "That's your designated spot", and pointing, is a lot easier to say, it's prescribed in at least one mechanics manual published by a major basketball officiating organization, and it's 100% factual, by rule.

I do agree with JRutledge that we should not be conducting a rules clinic out there on the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

OK, so this "psuedo-violation" must have had its origin somewhere in the primordial soup of in-game "coach vs. official" confrontations way back in the day. And, evidently it has morphed into a national [international] practice.

Why not just tell the player: "you can move if that helps your throw in angle"? What's the big problem with just notifying/telling them?

That's for your pregame captain's meeting.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

That's for your pregame captain's meeting.

Not mine: Players properly equipped, Players wearing uniforms properly, Practice good sportsmanship.