Ball comes in contact with both hands while dribbling

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You're penalizing the defense for playing good defense by ignoring a violation.

No, I'm penalizing the defense for kicking the ball out of bounds.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, I'm penalizing the defense for kicking the ball out of bounds.

Ball was dead when it was knocked out of bounds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Ball was dead when it was knocked out of bounds.

For the one time in your career you see this play, call it however you want.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, I'm penalizing the defense for kicking the ball out of bounds.

They only knocked it OOB because they were forced to defend and illegal dribble. Not fair. Call the illegal dribble.

[Raymond]

And what if the defender hits the ball OOB before it hits the floor?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And what if the defender hits the ball OOB before it hits the floor?

I'd have to see it, but I think I got nothing. This would have to happen so quickly I'm thinking you really couldn't tell what the offensive player was trying to do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'd have to see it, but I think I got nothing. This would have to happen so quickly I'm thinking you really couldn't tell what the offensive player was trying to do.

You mean he might be trying to do something other than dribble? I've never seen this play happen where there weren't any other players around, offense and defense. An attempted bounce pass is almost always on the table. So is an attempt to throw it off the defender.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

You mean he might be trying to do something other than dribble? An attempted bounce pass is almost always on the table. So is an attempt to throw it off the defender.

Exactly, he might be trying to do something other than dribble. That is a determination we must make. Nine times out of ten, on the start of a dribble, the ball will be touched a second time by the dribbler. But, on the rare occasion when it doesn't, the lack of a second touch should not prevent the violation from being whistled.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Exactly, he might be trying to do something other than dribble. That is a determination we must make. Nine times out of ten, on the start of a dribble, the ball will be touched a second time by the dribbler. But, on the rare occasion when it doesn't, the lack of a second touch should not prevent the violation from being whistled.

I'm going to walk back just a hair here and state that if there is literally no other option when he pushes the ball to the floor, I'll agree that you could call the ID violation even if something happens before he touches it again.

I just haven't seen that situation, nor has it been described here.