Clarifications sought: Verticality, Reaching in , High Dribble--anybody help ?

[justacoach]

Oh Billy, BillyMac???

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Oh Billy, BillyMac???

Palming or carrying is when the ball comes to rest in the player's hand, and the player either travels with the ball, or dribbles a second time. There is no restriction as to how high a player may bounce the ball, provided the ball does not come to rest in a player’s hand. Steps taken during a dribble are not traveling, including several that are sometimes taken when a high dribble takes place. It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble.

Reaching in is not a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, by itself, is nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul. When a player, in order to stop the clock, does not make a legitimate play for the ball, holds, pushes, or grabs away from the ball, or uses undue roughness, the foul is an intentional foul.

Over the back is not a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called. A rebounding player, with an inside position, while boxing out, is not allowed to push back or displace an opponent, which is a pushing foul.

[Travelling Man]

OK, you all have been so very helpful in this regard.
As a female ref I used to be intimidated by fans shouting "high dribble" and "you better call that reach in". I would stifle my whistle and let the play proceed because I thot there was no violation occuring.
Also, thanks for the insightful comment that said "a foul can occur even if the player who is doing the boxing out shoves his body into a rebounder who has elevated behind him/her".

[Travelling Man]

Another question, If I may pick you all's collective brain, is this:
When player A shoots and is airborne, then player b immediately turns their tush to box them out--is this a foul? The shooter must be allowed to land correct? without being impeded---I think this is afoul--am I right or wrong--and is it a player control foul or a free throw awarded type of foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Another question, If I may pick you all's collective brain, is this:
When player A shoots and is airborne, then player b immediately turns their tush to box them out--is this a foul? The shooter must be allowed to land correct? without being impeded---I think this is afoul--am I right or wrong--and is it a player control foul or a free throw awarded type of foul?

It certainly can be a foul but whether it is worth calling depends on the amount of contact. If the shooter hasn't contacted the ground yet at the time of contact, it would be a shooting foul (2 or 3 shots if the shot is missed, 1 if it is made). A PC foul is a foul committed by the shooter (or any player with the ball).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Also, thanks for the insightful comment that said "a foul can occur even if the player who is doing the boxing out shoves his body into a rebounder who has elevated behind him/her".

Note that this foul would be charged to the player "boxing out" and moving into and under the airbourne player attempting to grab the rebound.

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Another question, If I may pick you all's collective brain, is this:
When player A shoots and is airborne, then player b immediately turns their tush to box them out--is this a foul? The shooter must be allowed to land correct? without being impeded---I think this is afoul--am I right or wrong--and is it a player control foul or a free throw awarded type of foul?

A jumpshooter is NOT entitled to land anywhere he wishes. There is no such rule and people saying such are perpetuating a myth. So what is the rule? The shooter is entitled to return to the same spot on the floor from which he jumped or to land in any spot which was unoccupied by an opponent when he went airbourne. A defender can't move into a new spot AFTER the opponent leaves the floor, but he is permitted to maintain the spot which he had and the offense player is not permitted to come land on him.