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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:15pm
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I do not recall that the player in question was clotheslined and what I saw was a normal position with their body. Hard to tell anything else, but contact was certainly with the leg of one player and the lower body on the other.
The play in question did not involve a clothesline, I posited my own situation.

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As BNR stated, it sounds like you are making up an interpretation here.
All interpretations are, by definition, made up.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:26pm
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The play in question did not involve a clothesline, I posited my own situation.

All interpretations are, by definition, made up.
No they are not. They are made to illustrate the intent of the rule and how it is to be applied based on the position of the rulesmakers. So not they are not made up. That is why the NF produces a Casebook and a Simplified and Illustrated book to fill in the blanks. People often take an interpretation too far which I feel you are doing here. I know you did not say there was a clothesline, but no one said it was OK to clothesline someone just because they got to a sport first.

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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 02:47pm
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All interpretations are, by definition, made up.
Are you trying to learn how to properly adjudicate a play or win a battle of semantics?
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:06pm
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Are you trying to learn how to properly adjudicate a play or win a battle of semantics?
Why not both?

I'm simply asking if the rule can be read and understood a different way. I read all the case plays involving 4-23-1, and none of them explain whether "extending arm, hip, leg, etc. into the opponents path" means "extending those extremities after the dribblers path takes him into the defenders extremity" or "extending those extremities before the dribblers path takes him into the defenders extremity".

If the first, then the call would be a block/hold/illegal use of hands. If the latter, the call would not penalize a legal defender.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:13pm
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Why not both?

I'm simply asking if the rule can be read and understood a different way. I read all the case plays involving 4-23-1, and none of them explain whether "extending arm, hip, leg, etc. into the opponents path" means "extending those extremities after the dribblers path takes him into the defenders extremity" or "extending those extremities before the dribblers path takes him into the defenders extremity".

If the first, then the call would be a block/hold/illegal use of hands. If the latter, the call would not penalize a legal defender.
"Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent...."

It's also a foul if a vertical defender brings his arms down in front of him and the shooter jumps and contacts the defender's arms.

Defenders are entitled to the verticle space within their body width.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 03:22pm
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 04:51pm
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Can't really see well from this angle, but it seems that B42 leans into shooter's path and tries to close off the opening.
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Old Mon Jul 01, 2013, 07:09pm
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Why not both?

I'm simply asking if the rule can be read and understood a different way.
Sure, it can be read and understood differently, but you really don't want to be a lone ranger with your interpretation.
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You really don't want to be a lone ranger with your interpretation.
You guys are really trying to get me suspended from the Forum (again). Well, I'm not taking the bait (this time). I've posted too many off topic posts lately, so I need to reign it back a little.
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You guys are really trying to get me suspended from the Forum (again).
You don't need our help for that......
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Old Tue Jul 02, 2013, 10:38am
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You guys are really trying to get me suspended from the Forum (again). Well, I'm not taking the bait (this time). I've posted too many off topic posts lately, so I need to reign it back a little.
How about stop making everything a joke when people are trying to have a serious discussion or debate? We do not need a picture for everything.

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Old Tue Jul 02, 2013, 10:56am
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42 looks like he leans and sticks out his knee/leg. Block.

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