NCAA proposed rule change...Separate yet separate

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Umm...the shot clock starts the same in NCAA and NBA...as soon as the ball is legally touched from a throw-in. I believe y'all are talking about when a backcourt count begins.

I am, but this just goes to show why there needs to be separate rulebooks.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am, but this just goes to show why there needs to be separate rulebooks.

Peace

No, this just goes to show why the different levels need to unify on rules that really have no good reason to be different.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, this just goes to show why the different levels need to unify on rules that really have no good reason to be different.

I disagree and that is not going to happen either. That is not the case in any sport when you separate youth, to college, to the pros. And certainly not going to happen when each has a different committee.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree and that is not going to happen either. That is not the case in any sport when you separate youth, to college, to the pros. And certainly not going to happen when each has a different committee.

Peace

It may not happen due to all of the personalities involved but there really is no good reason for them to be different. They are really only different because neither side wants to compromise with the other over difference that don't matter.

At every single level, they could be made the same aside from the timing differences (different length game, shot clock, etc.), ball size, rim height, and maybe some court dimensions. None of those elements are playing rules. All of the playing rules should be 100% the same from pros to kids.

And there are other sports where it is done. It can be done without much difficulty in just about every sport IF the involved parties wanted to converge. But that would mean that someone would have to give up a position of power.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It may not happen due to all of the personalities involved but there really is no good reason for them to be different. They are really only different because neither side wants to compromise with the other over difference that don't matter.

At every single level, they could be made the same aside from the timing differences (different length game, shot clock, etc.), ball size, rim height, and maybe some court dimensions. None of those elements are playing rules. All of the playing rules should be 100% the same from pros to kids.

There are other sports where it is done and it can be done without much difficulty in just about every sport.

So you want the travel rules to be the exact same? You want contact in the post to be the same? You want the Technical applications to be the same? What about a 24 second shot clock? Better yet, you think the players could handle those rules differences?

And that does not include the many abilities of officials that cannot get basic rules right at the high school level, now you want to add complicated NCAA or NBA type applications as well? We have a hard enough time to get some basic contact being called a foul and now we want to add changes or better yet make those rules apply to HS kids to grown azz men? The NBA would be less fun to watch for the average public and NCAA and NF players would have a hard time adjusting when many players have a problem dribbling, let alone getting across the division line in 8 seconds.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you want the travel rules to be the exact same?

Absolutely! No reason to be different. At least that way you would be less likely to have people bastardizing the rule and calling it in a way that doesn't match any of the levels or calling it at one level as it is specified for a different level.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You want contact in the post to be the same?

As far as the rule goes, YES. No reason to be different.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You want the Technical applications to be the same?

Again, Yes. No reason to be different.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What about a 24 second shot clock?

Now, if you actually read my post, I suggested that there would be timing differences for different levels....that means the shot clock could be longer for lower levels.....even 8 minutes if you want. But the rules of when it starts and when it resets should be 100% the same.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Better yet, you think the players could handle those rules differences?

That is the question you should ask about the current situation. I'm suggesting that there be no rules differences. If there are no differences, what is there for them to handle.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that does not include the many abilities of officials that cannot get basic rules right at the high school level, now you want to add complicated NCAA or NBA type applications as well?

Oh please. There really isn't anything more complicated about the NBA RULES than in NCAA or HS that needs to be different.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have a hard enough time to get some basic contact being called a foul and now we want to add changes or better yet make those rules apply to HS kids to grown azz men? The NBA would be less fun to watch for the average public and NCAA and NF players would have a hard time adjusting when many players have a problem dribbling, let alone getting across the division line in 8 seconds.

Peace

Advantage/Disadvantage or whatever the current terminology would be is all you need to differentiate the levels. Let the pros play through more contact while kids are called more tightly. The rules can be the same, just the threshold of what becomes a foul vs incidental can change.

And again, before you refute my post with points relating to 24 seconds or 8 seconds, you might want to actually read and understand my post. If you had, you would have never made those points.

[APG]

Could you make the rules all the same? Sure you could, but there are rules needed in the pro game, that don't exactly vibe with the ideas and philosophies of NFHS and vice versa.

Player gets fouled (non-flagrant) during a try and can't attempt his free throws...well are we going to go with the NBA rule and allow the opposing coach to pick the shooter along with not allowing the player to return for the rest of the game? Or do we go the NFHS route and allow the coach to pick the replacement shooter along with allowing the player to return in the game?

The NBA rule is needed because winning is of the uttermost importance and their rule discourages, say...Dwight Howard from getting "hurt" and allowing the coach to put a better shooter on the line...and bring back Dwight soon after (and now we'd get into substitution differences between NBA/NFHS but we'll keep this simple). In NFHS, where winning isn't the most important aspect of the game, their rule works fairly well for that level (though I think they should go the NCAA-M route).

There are also rules that are made the way they are in NFHS because the talent disparity between officials is vast. So in essence, there are rules and enforcements that are kept simple for the entire officiating pool. You want to burden some officials at the high school level with having to determine a secondary defender versus a primary defender, and then adjudicate an RA play...when some can hardly get a regular block/charge play correct? And then possiblly add in whether a play originates in the lower defensive box (NBA and NCAA-W)?