NCAA proposed rule change...Separate yet separate

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Thanks for posting this stuff, JMF. Keep the info coming - you seem to have an "in" when it comes to getting this info.

As for the NCAAW "having to be different", just consider the source and ignore the comments. Most people understand that a lot of the changes the NCAAW side make come down from NBA/WNBA studies and changes.

No worries on my end. Some folks don't like the NCAAW game and that's all good. As you pointed out, when it comes to mechanics we're actually the ones who move to follow the pros a bit sooner (see "officials going tableside after calling a foul"). The only thing we were slow on was the ten-second count and I don't know how much of a difference it's going to make. Realistically, how many ten-second violations are called in NCAAM? Getting two in the same NCAA tourney game this season may have been the first two I've seen in years.

Regarding when we start the shot-clock period following a throw-in (when the ball is touched as opposed to when the offense controls it), that would be the NBA rule as well...

NBA Rule 7-2b
On a throw-in, the 24-second clock shall start when the ball is legally touched on the court by a player.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

... Realistically, how many ten-second violations are called in NCAAM? Getting two in the same NCAA tourney game this season may have been the first two I've seen in years.
...

I had 2 this season on back-to-back possessions by one team, and this was a college game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

No worries on my end. Some folks don't like the NCAAW game and that's all good. As you pointed out, when it comes to mechanics we're actually the ones who move to follow the pros a bit sooner (see "officials going tableside after calling a foul"). The only thing we were slow on was the ten-second count and I don't know how much of a difference it's going to make. Realistically, how many ten-second violations are called in NCAAM? Getting two in the same NCAA tourney game this season may have been the first two I've seen in years.

I have had 3 or 4 in a season in college games. Some teams put full court pressure can cause this violation like other violations. And with these kinds of situations I do not see why it is a big deal to have separate rules. They have separate committees, why is it a big deal to have separate rulebooks? There are separate CCA Manuals.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Regarding when we start the shot-clock period following a throw-in (when the ball is touched as opposed to when the offense controls it), that would be the NBA rule as well...

Good for the NBA. College players are not NBA players. Just like college players should not play under many NFL rules as well. Then again that is a personal opinion.

Peace

[APG]

Umm...the shot clock starts the same in NCAA and NBA...as soon as the ball is legally touched from a throw-in. I believe y'all are talking about when a backcourt count begins.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Umm...the shot clock starts the same in NCAA and NBA...as soon as the ball is legally touched from a throw-in. I believe y'all are talking about when a backcourt count begins.

I am, but this just goes to show why there needs to be separate rulebooks.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am, but this just goes to show why there needs to be separate rulebooks.

Peace

No, this just goes to show why the different levels need to unify on rules that really have no good reason to be different.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, this just goes to show why the different levels need to unify on rules that really have no good reason to be different.

I disagree and that is not going to happen either. That is not the case in any sport when you separate youth, to college, to the pros. And certainly not going to happen when each has a different committee.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree and that is not going to happen either. That is not the case in any sport when you separate youth, to college, to the pros. And certainly not going to happen when each has a different committee.

Peace

It may not happen due to all of the personalities involved but there really is no good reason for them to be different. They are really only different because neither side wants to compromise with the other over difference that don't matter.

At every single level, they could be made the same aside from the timing differences (different length game, shot clock, etc.), ball size, rim height, and maybe some court dimensions. None of those elements are playing rules. All of the playing rules should be 100% the same from pros to kids.

And there are other sports where it is done. It can be done without much difficulty in just about every sport IF the involved parties wanted to converge. But that would mean that someone would have to give up a position of power.