Video Request:Spurs-Grizzlies End of 1st Quarter Foul on Half-Court Attempt (Clipped)

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by Adam

You mentioned the end of the try. Normally, the end of the try is not at all relevant to whether a foul is a shooting foul. I don't think I'd have called this a shooting foul, but that stems more from the fact that he never really gathered the ball to start his habitual shooting motion.

If he had gathered, started his try, and then fumbled prior to being fouled, I'd have the same ruling. Thinking this through, I can see that it's likely because the try was over and there is no airborne shooter since the try was never actually released. That would be a sasquatch, though, and it's likely to look more like the video play and be ruled as if there never was a try to begin with.

I only responded because there are a lot of non-shooting fouls that happen before the try is over (shooter is fouled after landing) and plenty of shooting fouls that happen after a try is completed (airborne shooter does not mean the try is still ongoing).

Gotcha. Thanks.

[maroonx]

No way was that a fumble. It was a try.

[#olderthanilook]

I don't even see a foul from the angles shown in the video. More like a flop on the part of Manu.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I don't even see a foul from the angles shown in the video. More like a flop on the part of Manu.

There is definitely a foul that prevents Manu from raising his right arm.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is definitely a foul that prevents Manu from raising his right arm.

Ok...I can see a little contact there. In slo mo, the contact occurs after he loses the ball on his hip.

Manu is a left handed shooter too. He embellished the contact to his right arm with some antics there.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Ok...I can see a little contact there. In slo mo, the contact occurs after he loses the ball on his hip.

Manu is a left handed shooter too. He embellished the contact to his right arm with some antics there.

In the air? How do you embellish in the air?

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In the air? How do you embellish in the air?

Peace

He flops his right arm out away from his body thereby exaggerating what could possibly be miscontrued as a shooting motion. Most people (and I would hope the officials) know Manu is a lefty - especially from 40 feet.

In slo mo, he loses control of the ball on his left butt cheek while fumbling a dribble. Sensing he's in trouble (and being a smart competitor) he tries to feign a shot attempt by flailing his right arm. He manages to draw contact.....and a whistle.

In real time, I may have had the same thing as the calling official.

[MD Longhorn]

I see no try. If this is a foul, it's not a shooting foul... that said, I see no foul either.

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I see no try. If this is a foul, it's not a shooting foul... that said, I see no foul either.

Do you not see a try because of the apparent lack of control? Or do you not think he had begun the habitual shooting motion?

I could understand the former, but would not agree if it is the latter.