Is 360 Spin move legal?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

The rule says dribble ends when ball is resting on hand, in the video it was his left foot as he carried the ball with his right hand+wrist.

How about if he didn't carry with his hand/wrist but ball was on his right hand like a normal spin dribble move while on his left foot, and holds the ball after he moved his right foot, would the right be the pivot or it is determined by the foot that is on the floor as long as there is no more dribble even if the ball hasn't rested while on the hand?

the question is more about when he established the pivot foot assuming he wasn't carrying while on his left foot.

another scenario would be a normal dribble, so the player has his left foot on the floor, ball is in contact with his right hand but not holding/palming just normal dribble motion and while stepping on his right foot he decides to hold the ball with both hands, in this case would the initial left foot be his pivot or right foot?

Here is your answers, always:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I did not watch the video, and I don't know any "special" NBA rules, but at other levels the same travel rules apply -- determine when the dribble ends, find the pivot foot, see if it touches the ground again (in other than the legal jump stop).

[potato]

may i know how to determine if a dribble has ended.

it's easy if the guy simply picks up the ball immediately after a dribble bounce, but some advance guards like to keep the ball alive as in not Holding or Palming the ball but hand in contact with the ball in normal dribble motion and when there's an opening holds the ball last second pass/shoots. So would the pivot foot be achieved the moment the ball touches the player's hand or the moment the player holds the ball?

or do you see the foot on the floor the moment the player's hand is in contact with the ball should there be no further dribbling as the moment the dribble has ended irregardless how the hand is in contact with the ball (whether it's holding/palming or dribble motion)?

Originally Posted by Adam

Here is your answers, always:

[APG]

You still haven't answered what rule set you're looking for an answer for. I think you're looking for FIBA rules, but if you're not, you need to specify

Generally, the dribble ends when the dribbler touches it with both hand simultaneously or allows the ball comes to rest in one or both hands.

At this point you're going to have to determine the pivot foot. If the official determines the dribble ends and the player has one foot is on the floor, that foot becomes the pivot foot once the other touches the floor. If he ends the dribble with both feet in the air, it'll depends. If he lands simultaneously on both feet, then either foot can becomes the pivot foot. If they don't land simultaneously, then the first foot that lands on the ground will be the pivot foot after the other foot touches the floor.

Those are the situation from which you can end the dribble and establish a pivot foot. There are scenarios, that involve the a jump stop (also known as a pro hop for which I think you asked about when you first posted here) where the player would not be able to pivot afterward.

Now I'm pretty sure FIBA rules with establishing the pivot foot are the same as NFHS (high school) and NCAA rules. These situations would play out different under NBA rules, so when you mention an NBA spin move, know that there are moves that are legal under NBA rules that are by rule violations under different rule sets.

[potato]

i would like to know mainly NBA, Fiba rule.

i will try to draw out illustration later to help visualize as i think it may be abit difficult to imagine when i say ball in contact with 1 hand but not holding.

it's something like a dribble with ball on hand suddenly turn into holding the ball instead of holding the ball right after a dribble, something like hesitation then hold the ball.

Originally Posted by APG

You still haven't answered what rule set you're looking for an answer for. I think you're looking for FIBA rules, but if you're not, you need to specify

[potato]

Did a sketch to try to illustrate better. the left side is a normal dribble the right one shows a 360deg spin similar to the one in the video but hand in spin dribble motion instead of



Just wondering at which stage in the 2 scenarios would a referee determine that the dribbling has ended and pivot foot established?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

may i know how to determine if a dribble has ended.

By learning to officiate.

[potato]

bump for enlightening.

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

bump for enlightening.

I already gave you an answer for when the dribble ends and how to determine the pivot foot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

bump for enlightening.

Now you're just trolling.