T or no T

rockyroad · #1 (**permalink**) Wed May 08, 2013, 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

What would the consensus be if a TO were called and the player dropped the ball instead of giving it to the official? Do you chase the player down to get you the ball there too?

Two very different things.

Better situation to compare: timeout is called, and I call out to player "Hey 23, ball please!" and now she sets it down in the corner deliberately and walks away? I will more than likely T her (can't say definitely as it hasn't happened yet)

Again, the biggest thing to me in the OP is that the new L is calling for the ball, and she purposefully sets it down and walks away. That is absolutely a "F-ck you" action from that player.

deecee · #2 (**permalink**) Wed May 08, 2013, 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Two very different things.

Better situation to compare: timeout is called, and I call out to player "Hey 23, ball please!" and now she sets it down in the corner deliberately and walks away? I will more than likely T her (can't say definitely as it hasn't happened yet)

Again, the biggest thing to me in the OP is that the new L is calling for the ball, and she purposefully sets it down and walks away. That is absolutely a "F-ck you" action from that player.

I agree, but we don't know nor can we tell how loud he is asking (I have worked with quiet talkers) and it is clear she doesn't see him. Once she does notice she just turns and heads towards the ball. In my experience this is the calmest "showing up" an official I have ever seen. She just looks clueless from this clip and doesn't come off like its attitude laden. I mean its 8 seconds of video, I wish there was some context.

rockyroad · #3 (**permalink**) Wed May 08, 2013, 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

I agree, but we don't know nor can we tell how loud he is asking (I have worked with quiet talkers) and it is clear she doesn't see him. Once she does notice she just turns and heads towards the ball. In my experience this is the calmest "showing up" an official I have ever seen. She just looks clueless from this clip and doesn't come off like its attitude laden. I mean its 8 seconds of video, I wish there was some context.

I get that...but sometimes context isn't needed to say "That ain't right"...that's what I (and others) am saying here.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Wed May 08, 2013, 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by deecee

I agree, but we don't know nor can we tell how loud he is asking (I have worked with quiet talkers) and it is clear she doesn't see him. Once she does notice she just turns and heads towards the ball. In my experience this is the calmest "showing up" an official I have ever seen. She just looks clueless from this clip and doesn't come off like its attitude laden. I mean its 8 seconds of video, I wish there was some context.

And that is a fair assement of the video. But my experiece tells me that this was a rather disrespectful response. Now as I have said I probably would give a T but I could see myself as finding anotehr way. I worked with someone this year in a college game that told the guy "You better pick that ball up or I am giving you a T." The player went and got the ball and gave it to him. The official is a D1 guy (not that the player knew this) and I am sure he would have been supported by the supervisor. Context does matter, but who you work for and who you are might matter too.

Peace

Multiple Sports · #5 (**permalink**) Wed May 08, 2013, 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

And that is a fair assement of the video. But my experiece tells me that this was a rather disrespectful response. Now as I have said I probably would give a T but I could see myself as finding anotehr way. I worked with someone this year in a college game that told the guy "You better pick that ball up or I am giving you a T." The player went and got the ball and gave it to him. The official is a D1 guy (not that the player knew this) and I am sure he would have been supported by the supervisor. Context does matter, but who you work for and who you are might matter too.

Peace

Rut - Great point about who you work for.....most hs assigners I would think don't want a T on this play. however I bet you over 90% of small college basketball officials working this game would call a T and 100% of D1 officials.

Rob1968 · #6 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 09:19am

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Originally Posted by deecee

I agree, but we don't know nor can we tell how loud he is asking (I have worked with quiet talkers) and it is clear she doesn't see him. Once she does notice she just turns and heads towards the ball. In my experience this is the calmest "showing up" an official I have ever seen. She just looks clueless from this clip and doesn't come off like its attitude laden. I mean its 8 seconds of video, I wish there was some context.

Some of the context of this situation is discernible: 2nd half of the ballgame; player heads towards her bench. So, she probably has 2 or more fouls and knew she would sit, due to this foul call and her coach's philosophy. The official, if he thought to T her for her actions, knew it would further affect her playing, and might incite her coach to complain about being too strict. And thinking that she was going to sit, anyway, he may have thought to not T her, but just comment to her as she passed by him.
I work for an assignor who would definitely consider a T in this situation to be excessive, unfortunately.

deecee · #7 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 09:34am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968

Some of the context of this situation is discernible: 2nd half of the ballgame; player heads towards her bench. So, she probably has 2 or more fouls and knew she would sit, due to this foul call and her coach's philosophy. The official, if he thought to T her for her actions, knew it would further affect her playing, and might incite her coach to complain about being too strict. And thinking that she was going to sit, anyway, he may have thought to not T her, but just comment to her as she passed by him.
I work for an assignor who would definitely consider a T in this situation to be excessive, unfortunately.

This may surprise some here but I don't make calls bf on you're I think a player or coach would feel or react. I also don't care of a player's foul count when making a call.

MD Longhorn · #8 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 11:09am

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Originally Posted by deecee

I don't make calls bf on you're I think a player or coach would feel or react.

Anyone have a clue how to decipher this?

Adam · #9 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 11:10am

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Originally Posted by deecee

This may surprise some here but I don't make calls bf on you're I think a player or coach would feel or react. I also don't care of a player's foul count when making a call.

Can you please re-word that first sentence?

deecee · #10 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 11:46am

Doh, that teaches me to post while mobile. I meant to say I don't care on what they may say or feel when making a call

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Thu May 09, 2013, 09:59am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968

Some of the context of this situation is discernible: 2nd half of the ballgame; player heads towards her bench. So, she probably has 2 or more fouls and knew she would sit, due to this foul call and her coach's philosophy. The official, if he thought to T her for her actions, knew it would further affect her playing, and might incite her coach to complain about being too strict. And thinking that she was going to sit, anyway, he may have thought to not T her, but just comment to her as she passed by him.
I work for an assignor who would definitely consider a T in this situation to be excessive, unfortunately.

Sad.