You Make The Call (Blocked Shot and Contact)

[Raymond]

There is definitely contact AFTER A1 lands. So if you call a foul it is not a shooting foul.

[#olderthanilook]

OOB.
Spot throw for blue.

[just another ref]

I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.

I think you have to pass on this and it's a great example of a patient whistle. Contact is after the shooter lands, and looks worse than it really is.

I played HS basketball as a 5'10 pg. If I went to the lane like this and got my shot blocked I wouldnt expect a call and my coach and teamates wouldnt expect a call other than OOB and let's set up the inbound play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Contact is after the shooter lands.

This is a tough one, but if that's what you see, then fine, but it's not what I see. I see the defender's right hip making contact with the shooter before the shooter returns to the floor. It is also my opinion that the defender's knee makes contact with the shooter, also before the shooter returns to the floor, but this aspect of the play is much closer, and I may be mistaken. Bottom line: Contact before the shooter returns to the floor, but I don't have any problems with anybody seeing it differently, especially in real time.

One way, or another, that takes care of the "act of shooting" foul. Even if the shooter wasn't fouled in the act of shooting, he still got fouled before the ball hit out of bounds, and became dead. Illegal (not incidental) live ball contact, is a foul, even if it's not intentional, or flagrant, and should be called.

If the offensive player got knocked down in this manner while setting a screen, or going for a rebound, or diving to save a ball about to go out of bounds, or simply cutting across the lane, a foul would be called, so why not here?

Some less experienced officials might even consider a "hard" intentional foul here, but that's for another discussion.

[rockyroad]

I am having a hard time seeing this one as a play-on. Too much contact as the defender basically lands on the shooter and knocks him to the floor. Yes it is a nice block, but that's just too much contact.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

i am having a hard time seeing this one as a play-on. Too much contact as the defender basically lands on the shooter and knocks him to the floor. Yes it is a nice block, but that's just too much contact.

+1

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.

You do not have to call anything if you choose not to. If the only reason we are calling fouls are because of the amount of the contact, then we are not following the rules as written as so many people here want to suggest we must do all the time under every circumstances.

Peace

[Toren]

I got nothing on this.

But knowing the history of these two teams, how the rest of the earlier game played out, would make a difference.

If this was an isolated situation and the rest of the game played out without incident, this is a no call all day for me.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not have to call anything if you choose not to. If the only reason we are calling fouls are because of the amount of the contact, then we are not following the rules as written as so many people here want to suggest we must do all the time under every circumstances.

Peace

I already quoted the rule which I see as applicable.

Originally Posted by just another ref

4-27-5: If, however, a player approaches an opponent from behind or from a position from which he has no reasonable chance to play the ball without making contact with the opponent, the responsibility is on the player in the unfavorable position.

That's exactly what happened here. When you knock a guy to the floor while executing a "clean block" it is no longer clean.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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That's exactly what happened here. When you knock a guy to the floor while executing a "clean block" it is no longer clean.

Of course, that's just your opinion, or maybe how you're expected to call things for those you work for.

Also, the rule you are quoting is "Incidental Contact" and that entire rule is based on the judgment of the officials.