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Old Sun May 05, 2013, 01:10pm
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With regard to this being incidental contact, I think this would apply:

4-27-5: If, however, a player approaches an opponent from behind or from a position from which he has no reasonable chance to play the ball without making contact with the opponent, the responsibility is on the player in the unfavorable position.
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Old Sun May 05, 2013, 01:18pm
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I think it all boils down to judgement on what incidental contact is.

There's the philosophy that, on this play, if you can't make the shot block without the knee contact to the shooter's head, then you shouldn't be allowed to make the shot block.

The other philosophy is that the defender made an athletic play that was squeaky clean, and once the shot ends, any non-severe contact should be disregarded.

My rationale for calling a foul here is that the shooter is in a vulnerable position and takes pretty severe contact to the head.

But I totally get why there would be no call - with the blessing of everybody in the building - in a good hard, physical game.
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Old Sun May 05, 2013, 03:18pm
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Philosophy is that the defender made an athletic play that was squeaky clean, and once the shot ends, any non-severe contact should be disregarded.
Once JRutledge finishes mowing his lawn, and logs onto the Forum, I bet that he will say, pretty much, the same thing.
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Old Sun May 05, 2013, 03:46pm
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There is definitely contact AFTER A1 lands. So if you call a foul it is not a shooting foul.
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Old Mon May 06, 2013, 01:07am
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Old Mon May 06, 2013, 03:29am
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I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.
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Old Mon May 06, 2013, 11:40am
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I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.
I think you have to pass on this and it's a great example of a patient whistle. Contact is after the shooter lands, and looks worse than it really is.

I played HS basketball as a 5'10 pg. If I went to the lane like this and got my shot blocked I wouldnt expect a call and my coach and teamates wouldnt expect a call other than OOB and let's set up the inbound play.
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Old Mon May 06, 2013, 12:19pm
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I think you have to call this. Defender can't go through the shooter in the aftermath. Slow motion says after the shot, but calling it in real time I probably would have given him two.
You do not have to call anything if you choose not to. If the only reason we are calling fouls are because of the amount of the contact, then we are not following the rules as written as so many people here want to suggest we must do all the time under every circumstances.

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