Hand-checking: A progression (video)

[HokiePaul]

This video makes a pretty good argument for the value of the value of "talking players" out of things. Personally, though, I've never been a big fan of this (during live play at least). But I'm curious what other officials think. I know personally that I don't like when one of the first thing out of my partner's mouth in a pregame is "Let's not have any 3 second calls or hand checks where the player can play though."

My opinion is that I'm not looking for hand checks or 3 seconds, but if I see an obvious 3 seconds (usually 5+ seconds by the time you see it and realize the person isn't moving), I'm calling it, no warning necessary. Same with hand checking. I might let the first hands on go, but will the call as soon as I see the offensive player displaced if the defender still is using hands. I think a call early is more effective than a warning.

In the examples here, I think I call something on play #1. It's tough because the defender's hand goes on and stays, but the offensive player doesn't move initially. But when the offensive player gets displaced prior to the pass, I'd like to think I pick that call up and the hand checking stops.

[JetMetFan]

In terms of leaving a hand on a dribbler/ball handler but that player isn't moving/is moving East-West instead of North-South, here's what was in the 2011-12 NFHS Rule Book under "Guidelines for teaching and officiating."

A. Handchecking/Body Fouls.
5) Regardless of where it takes place on the court, when a player continuously places a hand on the ball handler/dribbler, it is a foul.
6) When a player jabs (their) hand(s) or forearm on an opponent to control his or her movement or gain an advantage, it is a foul.
Note: Incidental contact is contact with an opponent which is permitted and which does not constitute a foul. This includes but is not limited to contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating (in) normal offensive or defensive movements.

The continuous hand on a player who isn't moving isn't hindering them but it's not really incidental, either.

I readily admit I fall into the "he's not moving" thing in BV games and when it happens I get annoyed with myself. I don't do it during my GV games because they're under the NCAAW code where there are set guildelines on contact with the dribbler/ball handler (one hot-stove touch and that's it).

[maroonx]

Don't understand the "talking the players out of things" on this level. I blow it right off the bat in my games. Players will adjust. They won't like it but if they don't adjust. Early exit for them.

[JetMetFan]

Here are back-to-back possessions in the 2nd half of the same game (there are also slo-mos which is why it's rather long). First thought I had: Consistency.

Notes:
*My apologies for the audio drop-out in the first sequence.
*Watch where #24 green goes right after the second play of the back-to-back.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Don't understand the "talking the players out of things" on this level. I blow it right off the bat in my games. Players will adjust. They won't like it but if they don't adjust. Early exit for them.

Easy, I do it all the time. I even say it to players before they touch the ball handler. And then when I blow my whistle I tell them they should have listened. Problem solved.

Peace

[jeschmit]

I like how the calling official wants the ball put in at the incorrect spot after he calls a foul... It should have definitely been inbounded on the sideline after that foul.