ejection or T?

[rekent]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Agreed, AAU and even some youth rec leagues are having uniformed cops show up just for these situations. I helped out the local 15-under league, played now after all high school play is done, and had to throw out a parent, AFTER said "adult" was earlier warned and approached by game administrator and man with badge Don't know what this is coming to. The better officials do not want to work these games. It is a good training ground for the younger officials, provided they are working with or under proper supervision. However, some of the behavior seen could easily deter a promising young trainee and have him thinking: "screw this"

I'm beginning to rethink wanting to ref AAU this summer, hmm...

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by rekent

I'm beginning to rethink wanting to ref AAU this summer, hmm...

You should be ok if you feel it is a strong and well run AAU tourney or program, with plenty of administrative supervision and backing of officials. Not sure how you know this going in. A lot of trouble at these things also comes from using untrained volunteers, parents, even players to work the table, where a number of screwups (scoring/timing mistakes, and erroneous # fouls are the most common) can effect a games outcome and in the elimination bracket variety, this can really get people fired up. Guys in stripes take the heat for a lot of this when it is out of their control.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by rekent

I'm beginning to rethink wanting to ref AAU this summer, hmm...

Originally Posted by letemplay

You should be ok if you feel it is a strong and well run AAU tourney or program, ... Guys in stripes take the heat for a lot of this when it is out of their control.

In my years of experience, the biggest horror shows occur during AAU tournaments. Even when there is strong organization AND security, there always seems to be incidents. I've come to the point where I've decided it's just not worth the money or additional game experience. You can say it will definitely test your game management skills, but I've even seen incidents that actually threaten officials physically.

Maybe it's an unfair generalization on my part, but AAU ball has come to equal garbage in my book. Not so much for the talent or level of skill/play, but all the nonsense that takes place outside the lines.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In my years of experience, the biggest horror shows occur during AAU tournaments. Even when there is strong organization AND security, there always seems to be incidents. I've come to the point where I've decided it's just not worth the money or additional game experience. You can say it will definitely test your game management skills, but I've even seen incidents that actually threaten officials physically.

Maybe it's an unfair generalization on my part, but AAU ball has come to equal garbage in my book. Not so much for the talent or level of skill/play, but all the nonsense that takes place outside the lines.

I think this really depends. We don't have AAU here, but we have a similar organization. Some refs won't work it, I will, but I also don't put up with much from coaches. I'll talk to them and remind them of the expectations. It's worked well for me. The ones who recognize me have been doing it long enough that it's not an issue, though.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think this really depends. We don't have AAU here, but we have a similar organization. Some refs won't work it, I will, but I also don't put up with much from coaches. I'll talk to them and remind them of the expectations. It's worked well for me. The ones who recognize me have been doing it long enough that it's not an issue, though.

My experience generally involves national tournaments that include mostly out of town teams. Virutally NONE of the coaches are local and thus have zero relationships with the officials...and the behavior shows it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think this really depends. We don't have AAU here, but we have a similar organization. Some refs won't work it, I will, but I also don't put up with much from coaches. I'll talk to them and remind them of the expectations. It's worked well for me. The ones who recognize me have been doing it long enough that it's not an issue, though.

I agree, and the same goes for fans. I had an incident with a team (whose players I had seen year and and year out for several years) and they had a new coach. He starts jawing and I ask him to watch his tone and keep the chatter to basketball. Well I guess he felt his manliness was being challenged so nevertheless he gets T #1. 5 seconds later I'm giving him T #2. As soon as I give the second T a mom from the stands who I recognize because her girls have played for many years yells out, "I warned you before the game this ref ain't gonna put up with your crap."

I was smiling ear to ear on the inside.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree, and the same goes for fans. I had an incident with a team (whose players I had seen year and and year out for several years) and they had a new coach. He starts jawing and I ask him to watch his tone and keep the chatter to basketball. Well I guess he felt his manliness was being challenged so nevertheless he gets T #1. 5 seconds later I'm giving him T #2. As soon as I give the second T a mom from the stands who I recognize because her girls have played for many years yells out, "I warned you before the game this ref ain't gonna put up with your crap."

I was smiling ear to ear on the inside.

Yep, and the coaches who recognize me from HS (and even MS) season ball are better behaved (for at least two reasons), with the standard exceptions that also apply to in-season ball. Some parents are starting to recognize me as well (the ones with older kids in HS ball and younger ones in youth ball).