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yooperbballref Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:39pm

ejection or T?
 
I'm reffed in a tournament tonight filled with players in there mid 20's and 30's. Most of them have college experence so it is a high quality game. A player drove to the basket and collided with the defender. I was the lead and called a block, basket went in so shooting one. Before the player got up, he slamed the ground with his hand and yelled "tearable", I give him a T. As im walking to the table another player on that team yells "F--- YOU!!!" to me. With out even thinking, I turn around and give him a T as well.

After the game, I had another official that was in the stands tell me that if he was in my position he would have given the seconds player a doube T and ejected him from the game.

Your thoughts?

rekent Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:48pm

Did the official in the stands give any additional information? Were there gestures or anything else in conjunction with the second player yelling?

yooperbballref Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 890731)
Were there gestures or anything else in conjunction with the second player yelling?

Nothing that he said, so I don't think so

VaTerp Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:02am

You gave two Ts in a competitive men's league....sounds about right to me.

HTBT but I think you should sleep well knowing you took care of business.

zebraman Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:33am

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 890730)
"tearable", I give him a T. As im walking to the table another player on that team yells "F--- YOU!!!" to me. With out even thinking, I turn around and give him a T as well.

After the game, I had another official that was in the stands tell me that if he was in my position he would have given the seconds player a doube T and ejected him from the game.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts? If you referee men's leagues, this scenario will probably be pretty typical. You would have had every right to toss the guy who said "F-you" for a flagrant. Totally up to you. Welcome to adult rec league basketball. You'll see a lot more of this. :eek:

BillyMac Sat Apr 13, 2013 05:56am

Flagrant ...
 
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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 890730)
Have given the second player a double T and ejected him from the game.

No need for a double technical here. Just one flagrant technical will do. Also, if it's a game played under NFHS rules, it's a disqualification, not a true "ejection".

grunewar Sat Apr 13, 2013 07:02am

As several of our esteemed members would say, "Whack! Get out!"

I'm not putting up with that crap from anyone. Let the league deal with it.

I've been fortunate in my men's leagues so far. Of course, I've only signed up for the "B" and "C" Leagues, and stayed away from the "A's" as I've heard horror stories......cops, fights. Blech. :(

Adam Sat Apr 13, 2013 08:06am

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 890730)
I'm reffed in a tournament tonight filled with players in there mid 20's and 30's. Most of them have college experence so it is a high quality game. A player drove to the basket and collided with the defender. I was the lead and called a block, basket went in so shooting one. Before the player got up, he slamed the ground with his hand and yelled "tearable", I give him a T. As im walking to the table another player on that team yells "F--- YOU!!!" to me. With out even thinking, I turn around and give him a T as well.

After the game, I had another official that was in the stands tell me that if he was in my position he would have given the seconds player a doube T and ejected him from the game.

Your thoughts?

For some reason I cringed when the other official said "double T." First, even if you gave the same player 2 Ts, it's not a double T. Second, one flagrant T is fine to do the job. No need to shoot four free throws, just toss him with one T.

As for the T itself. I probably would have tossed him, but wouldn't lose sleep either way. Maybe he learned his lesson, if not, and he does it again, you can toss him next time.

JugglingReferee Sat Apr 13, 2013 08:26am

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 890730)
I'm reffed in a tournament tonight filled with players in there mid 20's and 30's. Most of them have college experence so it is a high quality game. A player drove to the basket and collided with the defender. I was the lead and called a block, basket went in so shooting one. Before the player got up, he slamed the ground with his hand and yelled "tearable", I give him a T.

I've got a T as well.

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Originally Posted by yooperbballref (Post 890730)
As im walking to the table another player on that team yells "F--- YOU!!!" to me. With out even thinking, I turn around and give him a T as well.

Men's rec league? For this I start with the flagrant T, and then will look at a downgrade to a regular T if the league has a good reputation, etc. (Context: two of the three men's rec leagues I work have been told to shape up by our referee's group.)

JetMetFan Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:08am

For me, rec league or no, the "F" gets him a generic T. The "you" upgrades it to a flagrant.

Rich Sat Apr 13, 2013 02:11pm

I'd eject him without much thought or fanfare. No way I'm taking that -- anywhere.

Bad Zebra Sat Apr 13, 2013 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 890778)
I'd eject him without much thought or fanfare. No way I'm taking that -- anywhere.

Agreed. And ANY official who doesn't toss a player that behaves like that is doing a disservice to anybody working games in that league in the future.

deecee Sun Apr 14, 2013 09:02am

F--- You = Have a nice day to me.

Mark Padgett Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:17pm

For you newbies - this is why we call these games "wreck league". :D

BillyMac Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:51pm

It's Cathartic ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 890778)
I'd eject him without much thought, or fanfare.

No. Sometimes we need some fanfare. Too bad the NFHS doesn't give us the "heave ho" signal, like they have in baseball.

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