Rutgers fires basketball coach after release of video showing player abuse, gay slurs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There are a lot of ways to be a bully. At least if you intimidate someone under today's standards you are a bully. And I doubt players of those coaches were not somewhat afraid of them on some level.

Peace

I'm not talking about the coach-player interaction. Although that's part of it, I'm more talking about, for example, the way Knight interacted with people off the team. Wasn't the final straw at IU the kid who baited him, and he took the bait big time. The way he treated reporters is another.

He wasn't just intimidating by nature, he actively intimidated people. To me, that's different than simply intimidating someone due to your stature (either physical or otherwise).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not talking about the coach-player interaction. Although that's part of it, I'm more talking about, for example, the way Knight interacted with people off the team. Wasn't the final straw at IU the kid who baited him, and he took the bait big time. The way he treated reporters is another.

He wasn't just intimidating by nature, he actively intimidated people. To me, that's different than simply intimidating someone due to your stature (either physical or otherwise).

If that is the case Wooden needs to go on that list near the top. It has been said he would say all kinds of things to officials with his little "program." And I doubt any of these top coaches were not revered and were not without big egos and probably did not allow certain things to happen with people not directly on the basketball teams. Again I think we need to stop fooling ourselves and act like Knight was the only major college coach that intimidated people and bullied them to get what they want on some level. We just do not have the social media to tell on them like we do now.

[Judtech]

Gene Keady intimidated more then Bob Knight!

[JRutledge]

Now ESPN is showing the assistant coach Jimmy Martelli (son of Phil who is coach of St. Joesph) as doing much of the same things as Rice. Throwing basketballs, getting in player's faces and pushing players around. This is bad on so many levels. Apparently the players called Martelli, "Baby Rice." This is bad, just bad.

Peace

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Brad

It's comparable because he's getting physical with his players. The player is walking down the court and he puts his hands on him enough where it shoves the player's head back.

Is it worse? Not even close.

It's comparable in nature but not in extent IMO.

This is so completely true and relevant to officiating!! Usually four views of what is happening on the court at any time: Home coach, Visiting coach, Official, and what really happened!

Indeed. Any thread here with video is a testament to that.

Originally Posted by Brad

100% will coach again.

If he is out all of next season I will be shocked. At the very least a D2 or lower level college will pick him up, but I would not be surprised to see him at a D1 school.

I will be SHOCKED if he is on a D1 staff next year and highly doubt he coaches anywhere next season. With all of the media scrutiny today I just don't see how a HC and/or an AD could sign off on bringing Rice in next season and justify it to the administration and others. I'd bet money that he is out of college coaching for at least a year.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now ESPN is showing the assistant coach Jimmy Martelli (son of Phil who is coach of St. Joesph) as doing much of the same things as Rice. Throwing basketballs, getting in player's faces and pushing players around. This is bad on so many levels. Apparently the players called Martelli, "Baby Rice." This is bad, just bad.

Peace

This just adds fuel to the fire. I wish Mike the best and I'm sure he'll land on his feet but just don't see him on a NCAA bench for at least a year.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Now ESPN is showing the assistant coach Jimmy Martelli (son of Phil who is coach of St. Joesph) as doing much of the same things as Rice. Throwing basketballs, getting in player's faces and pushing players around. This is bad on so many levels. Apparently the players called Martelli, "Baby Rice." This is bad, just bad.

Peace

Leads me to believe that this was a systematic teaching approach by the coaching staff

[Brad]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Leads me to believe that this was a systematic teaching approach by the coaching staff

Probably more a case of emulating what your boss does because you think it is right / you want to impress.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If that is the case Wooden needs to go on that list near the top. It has been said he would say all kinds of things to officials with his little "program." And I doubt any of these top coaches were not revered and were not without big egos and probably did not allow certain things to happen with people not directly on the basketball teams. Again I think we need to stop fooling ourselves and act like Knight was the only major college coach that intimidated people and bullied them to get what they want on some level. We just do not have the social media to tell on them like we do now.

And coach K, too. I've heard that about Wooden, too, and to me, it speaks poorly of his overall character. How you treat those who society feels it's ok to marginalize is a mark of character. Wooden was a great coach, teacher, and mentor, but he had his flaws. This was one, IMO. But it goes more to the feeling that coaches need to somehow "work" the refs to be effective.

Knight was different in that he seemed to be unable to control his disdain for people. Didn't he throw a flower pot at a secretary once?

[VaTerp]

Two Rutgers players defend fired coach Mike Rice - ESPN

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

And coach K, too. I've heard that about Wooden, too, and to me, it speaks poorly of his overall character. How you treat those who society feels it's ok to marginalize is a mark of character. Wooden was a great coach, teacher, and mentor, but he had his flaws. This was one, IMO. But it goes more to the feeling that coaches need to somehow "work" the refs to be effective.

Knight was different in that he seemed to be unable to control his disdain for people. Didn't he throw a flower pot at a secretary once?

People claimed a lot of things of Knight so I would not be surprised if people believe something like that happened.

I just know we had an official that recently died in my area that worked a Final Four and a Rose Bowl. I guess he had Wooden and UCLA a few times and he would tell that story often about the behavior of Wooden. So at least that part I heard from someone that dealt with Wooden directly and I heard that from others that were not the official I just mentioned.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by gojeremy

I wonder if there is a forum where Knight and Rice are bickering back and forth about the official who has the worst behavior the way you guys are arguing about them right now. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by zebraman

Nice contribution.

Or a fanboy forum where both coaches and officials are cannon fodder?