Louisville-Baylor PC & coach reaction clip

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I don't think the call was so terrible that the coach's reaction should have been tolerated....the call was reasonable (other than coming from the T) even if a no-call would have been better....[COLOR="Red"]the Louisville player had established LGP...there was enough contact that the Baylor player also fell to the floor....two bodies were on the floor about six feet in front of the basket...the late whistle came when the Baylor player started driving to the void created by the "collision"...

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

+1.

This is the best summation of the entire mess that I've read.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

Maybe it was the 16 three pointers they gave up.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Maybe it was the 16 three pointers they gave up.

Not relevant....it was a 1 point game with 16 seconds left and the kick-out jumper was made. How they got to a 1 point game at that point is irrelevant. Perhaps they still steal the next inbounds anyway and go up 3. No one knows, but to wipe the go ahead basket with 16 seconds is usually the end of the game.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not relevant....it was a 1 point game with 16 seconds left and the kick-out jumper was made. How they got to a 1 point game at that point is irrelevant. Perhaps they still steal the next inbounds anyway and go up 3. No one knows, but to wipe the go ahead basket with 16 seconds is usually the end of the game.

So just so I am sure I understand you correctly here, it is your contention that the officials "cost" Baylor the game?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So just so I am sure I understand you correctly here, it is your contention that the officials "cost" Baylor the game?

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

Baylor was fouled and sent to the line after this call. The FTs took the lead, then Louisville was fouled on the next possession. Sorry, but they had a lot of chances, let alone Baylor coach was out coached most of the game and had to make a furious comeback to have a chance. Sorry, I do not agree with your assessment of this situation.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

Not buying it.

Have We all made a call towards the end of the game that we later wanted back? Sure. But to say that you cost them the game, or that the officials in this case cost Baylor the game, is total garbage.

There are so many things to go into a game...turnovers, missed gimme shots, bad shots that shouldn't have been taken, stupid fouls, missed free throws, etc., etc.

The crew on this game was not very good that night. But Baylor didn't exactly play very well, either. Louisville out hustled them and out coached them.

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think the call was nearly as bad as many others we've seen over the last few days.

Of course, the call might have cost Baylor the game, but it hadn't cost Baylor the game yet. They're down one with about 17 seconds left and Louisville has the ball. The game is far from over at that point. Perhaps the Baylor coaching staff could have provided some words of wisdom to the Baylor players at that critical moment of the game...Instead, it appears that she chose to work the refs by throwing a tantrum rather than to coach her players....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think the call was nearly as bad as many others we've seen over the last few days.

Of course, the call might have cost Baylor the game, but it hadn't cost Baylor the game yet. They're down one with about 17 seconds left and Louisville has the ball. The game is far from over at that point. Perhaps the Baylor coaching staff could have provided some words of wisdom to the Baylor players at that critical moment of the game...Instead, it appears that she chose to work the refs by throwing a tantrum rather than to coach her players....

I don't think it cost them the game, to be honest. They immediately stole the inbound pass once they pushed them into the corner. They got fouled, and made both free throws to take the lead. They then, immediately, played matador defense and had to commit a foul. That cost them the game.

I don't think they steal the pass if they don't have them boxed into that corner.

[deecee]

This just reinforces, "trust your partner(s)". This type of mix up I expect from new officials as they lack the experience and discipline to referee their primary. I had one guy I worked with this year that in the first quarter reached so far out and made 2 calls that IMO were incorrect. I addressed it with him and told him that make sure what he calls is what happened and don't guess.

Second quarter he does it again and calls a travel on a loose ball when all he could see was the players back, through the lane and about 4 players. Next time out I addressed it again. Quite frankly by now it was getting annoying because by chance each time this happened I ended up in front the irate coach.

The fourth time it happened and the coach started in on me I turned to him and told him to take up his complaint with the calling official, I had run out of excuses and reasons to give the coach.

This call reminded me of that situation. Bad angle, didn't see the whole play but for some reason or another a call was made. There have been plenty of times when I see things in my partners area and I wonder if I should have called it. Right there I know I shouldn't.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by deecee

There have been plenty of times when I see things in my partners area and I wonder if I should have called it. Right there I know I shouldn't.

We have a saying locally for calling out of your primary...don't know if it's common everywhere: "If one reaches up and grabs ya by the ba11$, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it. I doubt this was the case here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

We have a saying locally for calling out of your primary...don't know if it's common everywhere: "If one reaches up and grabs ya by the ba11$, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it. I doubt this was the case here.

The official obviously thought that was the case here.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The official obviously thought that was the case here.

Peace

I don't think the official actually has....oh wait....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

"If one reaches up and grabs ya by the balls, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it.

Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to this as, "Ants, and elephants".