Louisville-Baylor PC & coach reaction clip

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If Mulkey doesn't deserve a T for that outburst, no one should ever get one. I couldn't believe she didn't get stuck.

The two officials that had the best look didn't call a charge because it wasn't a charge. The T was running the other way and stopped to comeback for the call with the worst view of the 3. The L and C knew it and knew that call just changed the game unfairly. I bet they didn't want to double up on the wrong call by sticking the coach too making a bigger travesty of the situation. Perhaps the T knew it was a bad call too and decided to take their lumps rather than compound the situation.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The two officials that had the best look didn't call a charge because it wasn't a charge. The T was running the other way and stopped to comeback for the call with the worst view of the 3. The L and C knew it and knew that call just changed the game unfairly. I bet they didn't want to double up on the wrong call by sticking the coach too making a bigger travesty of the situation. Perhaps the T knew it was a bad call too and decided to take their lumps rather than compound the situation.

L-Ville coach just got stuck for sitting on the scorers table. They had to get that. Even if the call was egregious. She can't act that way, two wrongs don't make a right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

L-Ville coach just got stuck for sitting on the scorers table. They had to get that. Even if the call was egregious. She can't act that way, two wrongs don't make a right.

Is that what he did? I was wondering, as the camera never showed it during the game.

I'm with you, though. I'm willing to let a coach vent quietly in a case like that, but stomping around like she did can't be allowed just because she thinks they made a bad call. She's an adult for crying out loud. That was a tantrum, and it continued into the press conference after the game.

I've asked this question elsewhere, I'll ask it here.

In what other profession can you act like a child and be excused because it was a stressful situation that didn't go your way?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

Is that what he did? I was wondering, as the camera never showed it during the game.

I'm with you, though. I'm willing to let a coach vent quietly in a case like that, but stomping around like she did can't be allowed just because she thinks they made a bad call. She's an adult for crying out loud. That was a tantrum, and it continued into the press conference after the game.

I've asked this question elsewhere, I'll ask it here.

In what other profession can you act like a child and be excused because it was a stressful situation that didn't go your way?

I would probably not stick him for just sitting on the table, I would bet he said something also. I agree with you about letting her vent. Especially as the L and C passed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I would probably not stick him for just sitting on the table, I would bet he said something also. I agree with you about letting her vent. Especially as the L and C passed.

I think all my supervisors would expect a T be assessed if a coach did that while or just after complaining about a call.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by OKREF

L-Ville coach just got stuck for sitting on the scorers table. They had to get that. Even if the call was egregious. She can't act that way, two wrongs don't make a right.

BTW, one thing regarding the T on Walz (the Louisville HC). He'd been given a stop sign 4½ minutes into the game so it wasn't as though it was just pulled out of thin air. Not that giving him a T has any bearing on the lack of a T on Mulkey in this case. I just wanted to point it out so folks know Walz already had a warning when he got stuck.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

BTW, one thing regarding the T on Walz (the Louisville HC). He'd been given a stop sign 4½ minutes into the game so it wasn't as though it was just pulled out of thin air. Not that giving him a T has any bearing on the lack of a T on Mulkey in this case. I just wanted to point it out so folks know Walz already had a warning when he got stuck.

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

Same here. I understand the concept of giving her a little rope here, and these three are better than I am, but I think they dropped the ball with the T. If I let a coach get stupid every time I thought my partner missed a call, or every time the coach thought I (or my partner) missed a call, I would have never called a coach technical foul. It's the only thing they vent about, for Pete's sake.

Why is it too much to ask coaches to act like adults under stress rather than teenagers who had their prom date stolen by a best friend?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

Believe me, I'm not trying to justify letting Mulkey off the hook. I just wanted to put Walz's T in its own context.

As to the Mulkey situation: I completely understand the feeling of "We screwed up X call so don't compound it by giving the offended coach a T." We've all been there. But...

*The NCAAW instructional video for this season has a "Sportsmanship" section, part of which deals with Coaches Behaving Badly.
*On January 29 we received a message from Debbie Williamson which included the following:

Address coaches who are out of the box as instructed in the preseason. Penalize unsporting behavior.

So what happens? We get a "What the Fu-Schnickens?" moment on national television...in the NCAA tournament...in a game involving the defending national champions.

If Mulkey was just in someone's ear maybe you let her vent and move on. The woman nearly undressed herself on the bench and that was before she left the coaching box. Someone has to T her up if only to save the crew. I think that sequence created some doubt in two subsequent situations:

*The kick on the inbounds following the PC. It really shouldn't have taken that long to deal with the clock. "Did white kick the inbound pass?" "Yes." "Okay, I'm going to have them reset the game clock to 16.7" "Okay." That's it. It doesn't take a group meeting.

*The foul on Louisville's last offensive play, which I'll post in the morning. I truly don't think the C could see it to call it but I'm thinking the L may have hesitated, in part, because of what happened at the other end in a continuation of the "Let's not screw this one up" theme.

Again, just me theorizing at 12:39 AM.

[Texas Aggie]

I think those asserting this was a bad call are protesting a bit too much. It wasn't a bad call. May not have been the best call for that particular situation, but a bad call requires a call for a rule infraction that didn't occur. Sorry, but the elements of a player control foul appear to have occurred here.

I've watched this video and the ESPN highlights about 20 times now. I still can't understand what made the Baylor player fall down.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I think those asserting this was a bad call are protesting a bit too much. It wasn't a bad call. May not have been the best call for that particular situation, but a bad call requires a call for a rule infraction that didn't occur. Sorry, but the elements of a player control foul appear to have occurred here.

Are you kidding? The UL player flopped. The PC foul that was called was total garbage, especially in the context of other contact during the game.

What elements exist? The NCAA uses To and Through terminology to evaluate B/C plays, and for there to be a PC foul there needs to be one player going through another player's space. This clearly did not happen on this play.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The two officials that had the best look didn't call a charge because it wasn't a charge. The T was running the other way and stopped to comeback for the call with the worst view of the 3. The L and C knew it and knew that call just changed the game unfairly. I bet they didn't want to double up on the wrong call by sticking the coach too making a bigger travesty of the situation. Perhaps the T knew it was a bad call too and decided to take their lumps rather than compound the situation.

I would agree with that being their thought process. But you just compounded one mistake (charge) with another (no T).

[OKREF]

Kim Mulkey interview with Jason Whitlock.

She doesn't regret saying it was to rough.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I would agree with that being their thought process. But you just compounded one mistake (charge) with another (no T).

Not necessarily. Calling the T could be viewed as compounding the original error if the call was clearly wrong as the T would penalize the same team that just got screwed.

If I've just completely botched a call, I'm going to give a coach a LOT of room to vent. If it is my partner's call that is botched, I'm going to let them decide how much room they're going to give.