Louisville/Baylor (Women)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

How can you think the PC foul on Louisville was the right call. It was pretty clear the shooter had gone airborne well prior to the defender establishing defensive position on the play. Unless there is some new form of physics in play I haven't heard of the offensive player had no way to avoid contact once she took off to a spot that was open when she left the ground. You have to allow an airborne player the opportunity to land if you haven't established defensive position prior to her leaving the floor.

I'm telling you what I saw when I watched it live. I'd like to see a replay, and reserve the option to change my mind.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm telling you what I saw when I watched it live. I'd like to see a replay, and reserve the option to change my mind.

We will have to reserve judgement till you see the replay.

I know when I saw the play live I knew then it was a block. Seeing the replay of the play just confirmed what I saw when it happened.

[kdays78]

The officials just let the game get out of control and as mentioned earlier looked like a crew that should be doing freshmen/ jv level.

The end of the game Baylor messed up giving a layup with 9 seconds, but the officials (term used loosely) should not see another game of this level. Of course two of them were females so they can write there own ticket to do a final four in the womens side...



Lousville upsets #1 Baylor women, last 16 seconds - YouTube

[bgtg19]

1. I can't figure out what the officials might have been talking about with 16 seconds left. Louisville has a throw in, Baylor knocks the ball out of bounds on the throw in attempt, and then the C comes down to talk to the L. They both then go talk to the T. The lead walks back and then the C goes back to talk to the T. The C then makes one more comment to the L. What do you think may have been the issue they were discussing?

2. With 9.1 seconds left, after the foul on the layup attempt, the referee is ready to administer the free throw and 4 Louisville players are lined up in their lane spaces and where is Baylor? The team without a timeout is huddling up with Coach Mulkey. I thought huddles in the lane aren't allowed - huddles with the coach? Permitting that huddle seemed to give a pretty big advantage to Baylor.

3. With the game tied (after the Louisville player hit the first FT), with just over two seconds left, why wouldn't Coach Walz have two rebounders on the lane. I get that they don't want to commit a foul and put Baylor on the line, but with the game tied, don't you *have* to have some players around just in case the ball comes off the rim strange/long and give your team a chance to score in regulation (because with most of the starting team fouled out, they were NOT likely to win in OT).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

...2. With 9.1 seconds left, after the foul on the layup attempt, the referee is ready to administer the free throw and 4 Louisville players are lined up in their lane spaces and where is Baylor? The team without a timeout is huddling up with Coach Mulkey. I thought huddles in the lane aren't allowed - huddles with the coach? Permitting that huddle seemed to give a pretty big advantage to Baylor.
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What rule says offensive players have to occupy their lane spaces? And what prevents them from standing by their coach along the sideline?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What rule says offensive players have to occupy their lane spaces? And what prevents them from standing by their coach along the sideline?

The only thing I think they could have called was that Baylor appeared to have some players huddles below the the FT line extended. In that case they need to break the huddle or move outside the FT line extended.

Otherwise I agree. Nothing requires offensive team members to be in a lane space, so the officials should not have required to break the huddle up if they were outside the FT extended.

I have had this similar situation occur in middle school games. Late in a game, the offense doesn't want the lane spaces and the coach wants to talk to the players. He calls everyone but the shooter over to talk, and puts a sub at the table for the shooter. She makes two FT's and the horn blows for the sub, which allows the D to get set.

Would have liked to see them scramble had she missed the second FT though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

....Would have liked to see them scramble had she missed the second FT though.

Why? Why do you care about a coach's strategy and tactics as long as they are legal?

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What rule says offensive players have to occupy their lane spaces? And what prevents them from standing by their coach along the sideline?

Right, except that the *whole* team was huddled with coach, including the player who was supposed to be at the line ready to shoot her FT. Her teammates don't have to be there, but doesn't the shooter have to be there?

A Louisville player did foul out, but in the video you can see all 5 Louisville players standing on the court ready to play (4 of them in their lane spaces) and the ref goes toward the Baylor bench and tweets her whistle to get a shooter....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

Right, except that the *whole* team was huddled with coach, including the player who was supposed to be at the line ready to shoot her FT. Her teammates don't have to be there, but doesn't the shooter have to be there?

A Louisville player did foul out, but in the video you can see all 5 Louisville players standing on the court ready to play (4 of them in their lane spaces) and the ref goes toward the Baylor bench and tweets her whistle to get a shooter....

And what else would you suggest the ref should do?

Besides, which is it?

Originally Posted by bgtg19

2. With 9.1 seconds left, after the foul on the layup attempt, the referee is ready to administer the free throw and 4 Louisville players are lined up in their lane spaces and where is Baylor? The team without a timeout is huddling up with Coach Mulkey. I thought huddles in the lane aren't allowed - huddles with the coach? Permitting that huddle seemed to give a pretty big advantage to Baylor.

Were there four or five players huddled with the coach?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

1. I can't figure out what the officials might have been talking about with 16 seconds left. Louisville has a throw in, Baylor knocks the ball out of bounds on the throw in attempt, and then the C comes down to talk to the L. They both then go talk to the T. The lead walks back and then the C goes back to talk to the T. The C then makes one more comment to the L. What do you think may have been the issue they were discussing?

I'm 99% sure they were discussing whether there was a kick ball on the first inbound attempt, which I believe there was. A kick would mean a reset of the game clock.

[michblue]

Originally Posted by kdays78

The officials just let the game get out of control and as mentioned earlier looked like a crew that should be doing freshmen/ jv level.

The end of the game Baylor messed up giving a layup with 9 seconds, but the officials (term used loosely) should not see another game of this level. Of course two of them were females so they can write there own ticket to do a final four in the womens side...



Lousville upsets #1 Baylor women, last 16 seconds - YouTube

I can tell you for share all three of these officials will continue to work this level and one them would not shock me seeing them at the Final Four. All three of these officials are guaranteed better then any of us. They work at the highest levels in the toughest of environments. To say some of the comments I have read on here "officials (and I use the term loosely)...or...a crew that should have been doing freshman/jv" is just plain wrong and unprofessional. One of the officials on this game is one of the top 5-10 woman's officials in the country.

Like John Adams said when CBS interviewed him after the Iowa State/Ohio State game..."Officials are going to make mistakes. We have to live with it and move on. They are not going to be perfect. It is a part of the game."

And btw, for all of you who feel this crew from the Louisville/Baylor game should never work another game at that level again....one of the officials who worked the Iowa State/Ohio State mens game with the well talked about charge call against Iowa State worked the Duke/Louisville mens game yesterday.

These men and women working these game are far better trained then we are and may ever be. Thefore, I think we owe them the due respect they have earned whether we agree with calls made or not made in their games.

Just my MHO (my honest opinion)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by michblue

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These men and women working these game are far better trained then we are and may ever be...

A lot of us aren't at their level but we've received the same training. I see many guys working the NIT and NCAA tourney who took the same training path I am currently on. It's what keeps my head up when I sometimes get discouraged about not being at a certain level that I want to be at. And one of the guys who I am in direct contact with badly kicked a call in the Sweet 16.

In fact, I would say most of the officials we see on TV this late in the season are no longer doing any training, they are mostly just teaching and observing in the off-season.

[MD Longhorn]

Full disclosure here - I was rooting against Baylor, and am among the last to jump on the officials who have made it to games like these. That said, this was a debacle. 2 of the officials looked like guys I might work with the first few weeks of a season before they realize they can't hack it and give up. Seriously - they were a complete mess and looked entirely out of place during most of the game. A disservice to a game of this magnitude.