Louisville/Baylor (Women)

[michblue]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

That play was a prime example of why I HATE this phrase and really think it should be removed from the thinking of officials doing HS varsity level and above.

What this phrase does is essentially say, if bodies are on the floor and you don't know what to call, just call something and guess. And that's what IMO the T did here. The other two officials, who were in much better position to referee the defense, passed for a reason.

It was a BIG time flop. At the point of contact the offensive player's movement is going up. The defender throws her upper body back to draw the call and was rewarded for her acting job by the official in the worst position to see it. BIG time flop.

I guess the phrase is fine for lower levels of play where you need to remind less experienced officials to put air in the whistle on some plays. But there is no reason that experienced officials should feel the need to HAVE to have a whistle simply b/c bodies are on the floor. As long as they know how they got there and refereed the defense they should be fine.

L passed on this play because the play did not start in her primary so she is not looking at that play from start but seeing the end of it. So it is C's primary and T's secondary. I still stand behind the T's decision to blow the whistle on this play. T gave C every chance to make a call and C did not. I still feel T did the right thing by saving the crew and making the call and I still feel and believe T got the call correct.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by michblue

... I still feel T did the right thing by saving the crew and making the call and I still feel and believe T got the call correct.

I don't see how you are saving the crew by guessing at a call that most officials think you got wrong.

Still waiting on you to state what the offensive player did wrong on this play.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

That play was a prime example of why I HATE this phrase and really think it should be removed from the thinking of officials doing HS varsity level and above.

What this phrase does is essentially say, if bodies are on the floor and you don't know what to call, just call something and guess. And that's what IMO the T did here. The other two officials, who were in much better position to referee the defense, passed for a reason.

It was a BIG time flop. At the point of contact the offensive player's movement is going up. The defender throws her upper body back to draw the call and was rewarded for her acting job by the official in the worst position to see it. BIG time flop.

I guess the phrase is fine for lower levels of play where you need to remind less experienced officials to put air in the whistle on some plays. But there is no reason that experienced officials should feel the need to HAVE to have a whistle simply b/c bodies are on the floor. As long as they know how they got there and refereed the defense they should be fine.

I understand your opinion, and agree to a large extent. One of my complaints this post-season has been too many games I've watched have had players hitting the floor as a result of contact with another player and nothing is being called. A lot of these plays have been pretty clear blocks or PC's but nothing has been called. It's like these officials need to put some air in their whistles. I have seen too many cases this post-season where the officials are allowing offensive players to initiate contact by dropping the shoulder into the defensive player, which is clearing space for the offensive player an nothing is being called. Those need to be called because an advantage is being gained.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have worked college ball too and that was about as big of a flop as I have ever seen. The defender threw themselves out of the way and was not at all displaced. If anything the defender falling down made the Baylor player trip over them, but there was no torso contact. And two officials that had a better angle passed on the play.

Peace

In Mich's defense, he didn't say he'd worked college ball... just that he'd worked at college. I think we're all assuming he doesn't mean basketball.